PSA/PDT flowthrough

[olympus593]

Learlove Can you be recalled at mainline after being a scab REP/CHQ pilot?
I'm going to tell them to blacklist you...

 

[Sig]

CONGRATS BILLY! Holy crap! I was too crosseyed from NearJob's lunatic ranting that something worth a dang was posted!

Daddy Surf. Hahaha!! I spent 10 hours today at the zoo with my 4 year old - priceless. You're so totally owned now...

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Holy crap folks!!!

You guys sound like a bunch of idiot five year olds on this thread!! Did not, did too, up yours, I saw it first, no I did blah blah blah......


Let me put it to you this way, I AM one of the 1800+ furloughed USAir pilots, and not a single one of us is even sure we are going to be offered a position with the new USair(not that many probably want it now) You two bone heads sound like pure morons in this argument especially the part about who is "Mainline" and who is not.

You do realise that the only reason that the ALG, and PDT pilots are even on a CEL, or whatever the thing is called is because the 1800 furloughed guys would not fly the thing for the rates offered. From the sound of it you guys would fly for free!!

I met an MDA guy a while back at breakfast on a layover, after the usual where do you work B.S. He proudly exclaimed that he was ex-USAir etc etc, Always glad to see another poor slob from U I asked him where he was based etc, etc.............ONLY after it was obvious that he was NOT a furloughee from mainline but had flown for MDA did he sheepishly say,,,well I am on the seniority list by default................In the end he sounded quite pathetic, a lot like the occasional guy you run into that claims to fly for USAirways.......No mention of express or PSA or whatever with a hire date of 2004!!!!


Hmmm rambling a bit here, but dang boys, ease up a bit on that crap. Like I said, I actually did fly for mainline and I will believe a recall seat when I see one. In the mean time, quit dreaming the pipe dream of a mainline position by default and get off your A$$ and go bust your hump to get hired at one! Plenty interviewing out there right now, SWA,UPS,FEDEX,CAL,etc etc...

Thats what the rest of the 1800 have done. If they (USAir) makes it and AFTER you get the call, then you can decide what to do.....just like the rest of us.

 

[LearLove]

Learlove Can you be recalled at mainline after being a scab REP/CHQ pilot?
I'm going to tell them to blacklist you...

and im a scab how? you may want to tell that to the other 80+ former MDA guys that are J4J at Rep now.

 

[LearLove]

Holy crap folks!!!

You guys sound like a bunch of idiot five year olds on this thread!! Did not, did too, up yours, I saw it first, no I did blah blah blah......


Let me put it to you this way, I AM one of the 1800+ furloughed USAir pilots, and not a single one of us is even sure we are going to be offered a position with the new USair(not that many probably want it now) You two bone heads sound like pure morons in this argument especially the part about who is "Mainline" and who is not.

You do realise that the only reason that the ALG, and PDT pilots are even on a CEL, or whatever the thing is called is because the 1800 furloughed guys would not fly the thing for the rates offered. From the sound of it you guys would fly for free!!

I met an MDA guy a while back at breakfast on a layover, after the usual where do you work B.S. He proudly exclaimed that he was ex-USAir etc etc, Always glad to see another poor slob from U I asked him where he was based etc, etc.............ONLY after it was obvious that he was NOT a furloughee from mainline but had flown for MDA did he sheepishly say,,,well I am on the seniority list by default................In the end he sounded quite pathetic, a lot like the occasional guy you run into that claims to fly for USAirways.......No mention of express or PSA or whatever with a hire date of 2004!!!!


Hmmm rambling a bit here, but dang boys, ease up a bit on that crap. Like I said, I actually did fly for mainline and I will believe a recall seat when I see one. In the mean time, quit dreaming the pipe dream of a mainline position by default and get off your A$$ and go bust your hump to get hired at one! Plenty interviewing out there right now, SWA,UPS,FEDEX,CAL,etc etc...

Thats what the rest of the 1800 have done. If they (USAir) makes it and AFTER you get the call, then you can decide what to do.....just like the rest of us.

Actually none of your post/arguement has nothing to do with this. Sounds like some want to come in here and thump thier chest. And for your knowledge there were plenty from the APL that bid MDA. And many came as FO's especially after the Mesa/Hogg screw job. My point in this whole mess is how the PDT MEC thought they were just the cats meow, how they could screw their former friends and still get the prize in the end.

 

[olympus593]

Lear nothing personal, We flew together at ALG, you were all right back then. But you trying to stop us from getting the flowthru, while you were able to do it is wrong...And yes you did call all the CHQ/REP guy's Scab back then ( before you went ) But you also said you would never go there, so...
Like I said the flowthru was only signed 1 way, what do you want me to tell you???

 

[LearLove]

What game are you going to play? Tell the AAA or should I say HP MEC chairman that our signed and enforcable agreement does not stand because the flow back was never signed? Should I forward you a copy? What would a judge think?

The flowthru was signed 1 way only, what do you want me to tell you???

As far as I'm concerned Olympus, you'd be showing me an incomplete document. And if the doc is incomplete then how could the MEC ever proceed?

 

[olympus593]

As far as I'm concerned Olympus, you'd be showing me an incomplete document. And if the doc is incomplete then how could the MEC ever proceed?

If the Document is inconplete and the MEC can't proceed, how did you flow up to MDA???

 

[LearLove]

thats right, i was hoping you'd bring that up. So the solution is for me to go back to my orginal position which is now PDT like the thing never happened. Because like I said, if the whole thing was never signed in full then the deal was never complete then MDA never happened for the CEL guys and we aren't really having this arguement anymore. See what I mean.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Actually none of your post/arguement has nothing to do with this. Sounds like some want to come in here and thump thier chest. And for your knowledge there were plenty from the APL that bid MDA. And many came as FO's especially after the Mesa/Hogg screw job. My point in this whole mess is how the PDT MEC thought they were just the cats meow, how they could screw their former friends and still get the prize in the end.

Yes a few did come to MDA, MOST told them no thanks, repeatedly. In my case I got 4 yes 4 "Last Chance" letters for the MDA gig and at least that many phone calls from USAir......they had one heck of a time filling those seats until they decided to offer it to the W/O pilots.

My point is that you need to actually get off your butt and go look for a mainline job, instead of arguing about who should be "given" a position!!

If I use the logic of some in this thread I should be entitled to my Capt. seat back at express.......heck with my original hire date with the W/O I should be number 10 or 20 by now! I took the chance and busted my but to move on to a mainline, any mainline, it just so happened USAir called first, if not it would have been UAL or CAL or whoever.........don't look for something for free or feel you are entitled to it, GO FIND YOUR JOB!!!!!

Arguing about ancient history (Agreements prior to the U AWA merger) is stupid and counterproductive to your career and just makes you come off as a spoiled kid with an entitlement complex.

You want to see an example of a poor slob that has been screwed, go find a 58 to 70 year old USAir or UAL pilot that has lost his entire retirement.....they are the ones to feel sorry for, not the furloughed young guys or the regional guys just getting started in their career.

If I have read you guys wrong, then I am sorry, but to me it looks like you guys EXPECT someone to give you something for doing nothing more than getting hired to fly a regional airplane.

I don't know, back in my regional days (commuter) it was a stepping stone, a place to knock the snot off your nose and learn how to fly, when you did that you started looking for your career job.......now I guess everybody just expects to be assigned to your career job, kind of like being assigned to a science class in school or something.

Do yourself a favor and start filling out apps tonight and calling everybody you know that may be able to give you a reference for a big airplane job, because waiting for USAir to hand you a career is probably worse odds than going to vegas to make the house payments.

 

[WSurf]

Lear, didn't I have to give you a smack down earlier for this..... Let it Go!!!!

 

[olympus593]

The LOA that made you flowthru to MDA is still here, nothing has changed, US Air as to comply with it, Period.
The fact that the flowdown was never signed/enforcable does not change the flowthru is still here. Sorry to piss on your parade but look ALG is gone, MDA is gone it's time to move on, you got CPT at REP, You will go back to US Air, you will be senior to Guy's that were senior to you on the CEL, What do you want? Will see us not flowthru make you happy, if so get a life, it's time to move on...

 

[olympus593]

thats right, i was hoping you'd bring that up. So the solution is for me to go back to my orginal position which is now PDT like the thing never happened. Because like I said, if the whole thing was never signed in full then the deal was never complete then MDA never happened for the CEL guys and we aren't really having this arguement anymore. See what I mean.

Fine then let's do that, go back to your original position, As an ALG F/O.
The deal was never signed in full but the flow up was signed or how did you get to MDA. I'm done with you, think what you want to think, hear what you want to hear, I don't care.
But don't think for a minute that because you were an FO on an RJ for MDA that your voice will stop US Air to respect a legal/active/enforcable flowthru agrement.

 

[LearLove]

What do you want?

what i/we want/wanted was NOT to be screwed by our own brothers based on some small technicallity on paper. However little too late. And no I'm not a capt at Rep. That wouldn't make this any better.

 

[olympus593]

Your orignal position at PDT? When did you do your transition (PDT) training?
Somebody drug test this guy, he is on something.

 

[LearLove]

Your orignal position at PDT? When did you do your transition (PDT) training?
Somebody drug test this guy, he is on something.

So now you saying that because ALG and PDT merged and PDT was the surviving name that I/we ALG guys shouldn't be able to flow back?

 

[olympus593]

what i/we want/wanted was NOT to be screwed by our own brothers based on some small technicallity on paper. However little too late. And no I'm not a capt at Rep. That wouldn't make this any better.

PDT guy's were not you brother, we were imposed on them, thrust me.
We ( ALG Guy's ) Have no power at PDT there is only like 95 of us left, and the PDT guy's did not want to see downgrade/ furlought for flowback who never flew for PDT in the first place, it's as simple as that. And they didn't have to take you guy's back because the agrement was never signed. It's over, get over it.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

what i/we want/wanted was NOT to be screwed by our own brothers based on some small technicallity on paper. However little too late. And no I'm not a capt at Rep. That wouldn't make this any better.

Heck, that is the airline biz. 1800 furloughees and god knows how many retirees were casually thrown under the nearest speeding bus, what makes you think it will not happen again?

I hear the honking of the next speeding bus heading the furloughees way right now. The merger fight is already amped up and only getting worse, nobody is going to know a thing until that issue is solved, and if the AWA boys have their way nobody that is not currently flying on the sen list is going to have a job at Airways.

Like I said, pretend that you never flew for airways or it's affiliates and move on with life, if you get a recall, fine, if not, well you will be much happier and have a lot less stress in your life.

 

[LearLove]

PDT guy's were not you brother, we were imposed on them, thrust me.
We ( ALG Guy's ) Have no power at PDT there is only like 95 of us left, and the PDT guy's did not want to see downgrade/ furlought for flowback who never flew for PDT in the first place, it's as simple as that. And they didn't have to take you guy's back because the agrement was never signed. It's over, get over it.

thats weak, so weak at best.

 

[olympus593]

So now you saying that because ALG and PDT merged and PDT was the surviving name that I/we ALG guys shouldn't be able to flow back?

Dude for the last time YOU NEVER WERE A PDT PILOT. YOU CAN'T JUST COME HERE AND DISPLACE THOSE PDT PILOT. WHAT PART DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???

 

[LearLove]

put it this way...

what if MDA was left where it was and U announced that they were retiring the rest of the Dash8's. However someone on the MEC for whatever reason wanted to stop the flow and was baseing it on some small tech mistake they found in the language. What if in this case the 100 or so former WO guys now at MDA just stood by and kept their mouths shut and let the flow be cut off.

I bet you'd be pissed. You'd be begging us for help. See my point?

 

[olympus593]

put it this way...

what if MDA was left where it was and U announced that they were retiring the rest of the Dash8's. However someone on the MEC for whatever reason wanted to stop the flow and was baseing it on some small tech mistake they found in the language. What if in this case the 100 or so former WO guys now at MDA just stood by and kept their mouths shut and let the flow be cut off.

I bet you'd be pissed. You'd be begging us for help. See my point?

SOME SMALL TECH MISTAKE??? CAN YOU READ? THE FLOWDOWN WAS NEVER SIGNED it's not a mistake the HOW they would flow back was never NEGOCIATED. Again what part don't you understand?

 

[LearLove]

Sopranos reruns are on...

gotta go, Tony is more inmportant right now.

parting shot, yeah thats right because all the flowup that were ever negociated everyone had a flow down/back. Just because this one wasn't signed or had some language missing is no excuse. Flow up means flow down. Take your arguement to anyone on the street no involved and like i said they'd call BS on your part.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Lear Love,

A question if I may.

Why are you so fired up to return to PDT on a Dash-8? You list 6500 tt and a Dash Type, so that implies that you have PIC 121 turbine time as well as sweptwing jet time in the 170. Why on earth would you want to go back to a Dash when you clearly have plenty of time to be competitive at CAL, Airtran, FEDEX, UPS, or any one of the 747 and DC-10 freight operators that are hiring. Kalitta, Focus, World, Southern etc.

Every single one of the ones I listed pay much better than a Dash Capt. (Maybe not year one, but second year for sure)

 

[olympus593]

So now you saying that because ALG and PDT merged and PDT was the surviving name that I/we ALG guys shouldn't be able to flow back?

ALG had 18 Plane and PDT 43, PDT was more than the surviving name, anyway you left before the merger...

Do you think you should displaced those HP pilot since US Air is the surviving name and HP an US merged??? You are a US mainline pilot after all.

 

[FR8mastr]

If you want to get technical the merger between PDT and ALG was done on 7-1-04, and the first class of WO guys at mda was on 7-5-04. So there is a argument, if the ALG guys worked for PDT or not.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Is everyone but Kerosene Snorter drunk tonight?

Am I missing something?

You are talking about flowthrough to US Airways right?

There are folks at Cape Air who were hired between 1987 and 1988 at UsAirways, and you guys are arguing over flowthrough from a wholly owned regional?

Unless you are 23 or the FAA changes the age 60 rule to an age 80 rule, I'd heed Kerosene's advice and explore other options, no?

 

[JohnnyP]

....

Desperation, its got a stinky odor.............

 

[Dash8301]

you did have a say and I bet you picked up the phone this past summer and told your reps to "get thoes guys back here right away", am I correct? Yeah thats what I thought. Silence from your mouth, just like 800 of my former "brothers".

Some of us did call our MEC and try and get you guys back at PDT however the LAV Wall MEC failed to listen. I do hope we can work out a deal for the future where at least we get called before street pilots. AKA MAG FAGS that I know you love so much. I'm not saying you don't deserve you number because you guys got screwed. But take your supersenority as your prise rather than screwing the rest of us CEL guys.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Good lord, they were telling us that flow through was "right around the corner" and "imminent" back in 1996.

I wouldn't buy that snake oil.

Nu

I'm an ex-Henson/Piedmont Captain 1986-1996. I remember attending an LEC meeting where the discussion turned to flow-thru. The Flow-Thru Chairman at the time got up there and said "' If you're interested in flying for mainline, I suggest you fill out an application and apply on your own. You will probably get there quicker." That was back in 1990,if I remember correctly. I see that not much has changed since then.


PHXFLYR