PSA or Skywest

[SuperKooter]

Go where you live, dont worry about upgrade.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Go where you live, dont worry about upgrade.

Ditto.

IB's laws of aviation:

1. You never know what the industry will do tomorrow.
2. The industry is not what it was yesterday.
3. QOL=Money+(Schedule-commute)+company culture
4. Seniority largely controls money and schedules.

-If you're looking for quick upgrade - you're gambling
-If you're trying to guess when majors will be hiring - you're gambling
-If you think you're going to upgrade quickly, get your PIC time right when the majors are hiring - you're on drugs.
-Imagine the worst case of each decision and be prepared to live that for several years.

So, pick an airline where you'll be happy for many years to come, no matter what seat you occupy.
Pick an airline that will most likely be in business for many years to come.

Good luck.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Bus,

just trying to figure your timeline with OO, and your CRJ CA status. When did you get the upgrade on the jet? I have been here JUST over 5 years as well, and still S.O.L. on the upgrade.

I was thinking the same thing. Has he been at the same SkyWest as I have?

I wouldn't count on much growth based on what's been announced. The US Airways flying is more a reshuffling of -200's out of the Delta and Airtran systems with a few being pulled in from the desert. The Alaska codeshare will probably grow to 20-30 airframes at some point. Either way, that's 30-35 airframes of growth potential at an airline with 3100 pilots already. Percentage wise that is small. The rest rules may never materialize. Bottom line, when acessing a regional for upgrade time, base your assumptions on attrition since explosive growth is unlikely.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Don't come to SkyWest expecting a quick upgrade (which depends on your definition). Most upgrades are going to be because of attrition as the fast growth mode for most regionals is over. SkyWest is over 3100 pilots now and the reason some pilots got a quick upgrade on the Brasilia was because many pilots senior to them did not have the required 2500TT and 1000 crew time to upgrade. This is no longer the case and there are probably 1200+ pilots ahead of you waiting for the upgrade. If I were to wager a guess, I would say 4+ years at least for a Brasilia upgrade for a new hire today.

Not sure we'll even have the EMB-120's for another 4+ years...

 

[Maria]

Not sure we'll even have the EMB-120's for another 4+ years...

Now how are we supposed to upgrade in 4 years if the Bro is gone?

 

[Bus-Driver]

They've been saying the bro will be gone in a matter of weeks for about 10 years now. Don't believe until you see it.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

They've been saying the bro will be gone in a matter of weeks for about 10 years now. Don't believe until you see it.

I don't know who "they" are, and no one I know has ever said anything about "a matter of weeks"...
However I have heard the EMB herd will probably start thinning out in the next couple of years.

 

[ROSWELL41]

SkyWest has been losing EMB-120's slowly for the last five years.

 

[Maria]

Annnnndddd.... Skywest made the decision for me, cancelling and significantly delaying all classes.

Is the music stopping at SKY as oil hits $93 a barrel?

 

[Snaab]

Annnnndddd.... Skywest made the decision for me, cancelling and significantly delaying all classes.

Is the music stopping at SKY as oil hits $93 a barrel?

Sorry to hear about that.. Nothing is a sure thing these days.

 

[ROSWELL41]

I just got awarded EMB-120 CA and I have been at SkyWest just under five years.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

There are some very mixed messages here.
Just got an email that a pilot job fair set for SFO next weekend.
Why are your classes getting delayed and postponed when we are still interviewing?

 

[cbrown1]

Info I heard is they are way backed up in the training department and they had to push back the new hire RJ classes to let the guys transition off the emb.

 

[Dubya]

It doesn't appear the growth is over. There is new flying being added in January as well as more on the horizon. Also, with the new rest requirements in the final stages, more pilots (including captains) are going to be required and skywest is hiring in anticipation o this. Third, attrition is already high and expected to increase significantly over the next 2 years. So, I believe your forecast of 4 years for new-hires today is very short sighted. I don't know what it'll be, but I expect upgrades times to be relatively short very soon. Of course, economy and terrorism issues can change everything in a heartbeat.

I see what you did there.

 

[Klr2land]

Flew with a check airman yesterday that said the IOE for new hires is the holdup. Not enough check airmen so the scheduling of IOE is holding them up.
I know of one check airmen that just left for FedEx.

 

[Maria]

New question: Which airline would be faster for a new-hire to get 1000 hours?

Basically, I'm trying to figure out where I can fly the most, the quickest. I don't want to be stuck at only 200 hours more this time next year and am wondering if the bird in hand (PSA) is faster to a line than the bird in the bush (Skywest possible start date at the end of Feb).

 

[MtrHedAP]

New question: Which airline would be faster for a new-hire to get 1000 hours?

Basically, I'm trying to figure out where I can fly the most, the quickest. I don't want to be stuck at only 200 hours more this time next year and am wondering if the bird in hand (PSA) is faster to a line than the bird in the bush (Skywest possible start date at the end of Feb).

Why do want to get 1000 hrs? TT or additional?

 

[Maria]

1000 hours total MEL turbine time meets insurance company requirements for corporate birds. Then I can step into slightly-above-bottom-feeder corporate slots, conduct VLJ training, and generally forge a career outside of the airlines. All that Citation farmer time didn't mean jack to the insurance companies, they want time in aircraft above 50000 lbs.

I know, it's always something.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Unless SKYW hires into the future at significant rates, depending on when you get hired, your experience may less than desired=long reserve experience with little flying. Currently SKYW has little movement.

 

[amcnd]

Little movement?? I moved up 5 numbers this week...