PSA getting 70 seat jets?

[Bluestreaker]

Once again another ill informed individual. PDT did agree to it.

 

[Beantown]

I was in PHL today and say PSA's new RJ doing a revenue flight. Good looking bird. From a Mesa pilot I just wanted to wish you guys the best of luck with the transition from the 328. Now lets just hope that PDT/ALG are able to secure the 700's (705's) that are still up for grabs. Then at least everyone would get a slice of the pie. -Bean

 

[N813CA]

ChinaClipper

PDT and ALG are not getting any jets. They will be used until their leases of the Dash8 are done and then shut down. It would be nice if PSA got the balls to help their brothers out, but I guess all is far in love and war. I doesn't matter because eventually Mesa will own the ones that are left.

 

[RUhiring?]

What kind of help are you looking for? I don't think PSA or the people who work there are able to do anything that would help to sustain PDT/ALG.
The only thing I can think of that would help the employees is preferential hiring.

 

[d328pilot]

What exactly are you looking for? When we were going to become DC Air, all we got was the "sucks to be you guys line." I remember a lot of comments during that period...None were for support, just "have fun flying for BET"

We did not go behind Segal's back to ask Bonner to stop seigal. We did not make you choose to play hard ball with Segal. Do you really thing if we had said no, then we would have all gotten jets? Wake up, they would have just gone to Mesa.

There is a lot of history of backstabbing in thw W/Os. Dont make is sound like PSA is the one responsible for your union's fault. We all had choices to make, and our choice was to at least keep some flying with a W/O instead of it all going to Mesa.

 

[Smoking Man]

I really doubt it matters what we say. I am sure that fault would be found with any and all of our actions.

To me this is starting to look like the new commercial with Bret Farve, with him telling everyone what he would have done.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Bluestreaker...........

PDT did agree to concessions for jets???? On one of my last deadheads outta DCA the PDT crew said they were left out in the cold on jets and that they POSITIVELY didn't take any concessions for ANYTHING??? True? If so, I hadn't heard and stand corrected.........any shame on them if they did........

 

[328dude]

Actaully PDT did join in for J4J's after PSA was givin the intiial order. A little to late and were told it was a moot point.

There is things in the works to try to protect both ALG and PDT pilots. Even a resolution that was drafted that covered this topic was brought up at our last MEC meeting and both Olaf and Rick were there. The status of it is at idle untill the future is know.

Will the three wholly owned combine senority list's? No, but a few other ideas are out there.

 

[Piedmonster]

US AIRWAYS

I think all this talk of jets going to the wholly owneds is a moot point. I give US Airways until the end of 2004 before the whole group goes back into bankruptcy and gets liquidated. The writing is on the wall G-men Southwest is going to eat Airways alive in Philadelphia. and Airways management can't seem to get the picture and start really running an airline. Its just a matter of time

 

[d328pilot]

I disagree. I think the future of U is bright. 3rd quarter last year U lost 390 million dollars. 3rd quarter this year only 90 million. A 300 million improvement.

The star alliance will bring an estimated 100 million a year in additional revenue. A good example will be the new MUC-CLT flight operated by LH. This flight will not cost U any money, but will deliver 300 additional passengers a day into the system per day. and that is just one flight.

Also in helping to bring more people into the system will be the rjs. For PSA the 60 rjs alone will increase our seats in the system by 600. If you figure 5 banks a day. That is an ADDITIONAL 3000 people per day that can be in the system.

SWA in PHL. This presents a very unique problem. But one that U is able to win, if management and the unions can work together. We have to be able to match cost with SWA on the routes they fly. There are 2 ways this can happen. Mainline lowers their operating cost OR provides scope relieve to add large rjs to fly those routes. If you have a CRj705 for instance. You can have flights for the same fare, because of the lower costs. But in addition, you have 1st class seats, frequent flier miles, and access to 126 countries that the Star alliance serves. If it costs the same, who would you go with?

You do not bring jobs back by adding mainline flights at this time. You grow the feed, and the growth at mainline comes a little later. How do you grow the feed? RJs and alliances. Why are the most financially stable carriers the largest rj operators? Because the have the feed to fill up the mainline jets.

U is not doomed. Seigel said himself that he did not expect a profit until 2005. That is still a year away. A 300 million improvement in just one quarter alone is a very good step in the right direction. In fact, i think the future will be bright. We all just have to work together.

 

[meanstreak]

d328pilot

Face it, AIrways will most likely not make it. You can brag about all the RJ's your going to get but Airways is losing the battle. Sorry.

 

[d328pilot]

i list facts and figures...back your statement up with something other than your opinion. please enlighten me as to how I am wrong about the rjs, how the alliance will not bring any money in and how a 300 million reduction in loss is not a step in the right direction. Sometimes things take time to turn around. Not everthing can be fixed in one day.

 

[RUhiring?]

Management and the unions can no longer work together. Seigal has lost his troops. There aren't any employees who have any trust or respect for this guy. The only way to save this sinking ship is to get rid of Seigal and bring in someone who knows what they are doing, and can explain his plans to the employees and Wall Street.

 

[Stuka Luva]

Perfect world I'd love to see:

PSA ~100 RJs
PDT ~100 RJs
ALG ~100 RJs
MESA --Burning in hell (the company, not the employees)

Oh yeah...and US Air becoming successful...

Also, I think it'd be a bad idea to have 705s (-900 series CRJs) at PSA or any express carrier. It starts to set a precident that if we (corporate thinking) can ship 90 pax coast-to-coast on an express flight, what's the point of having a Mainline? Why operate at mainline coast structure when you can do it at an express level (I'm talking all express--PSA, Comair, Eagle, whatever--it's cheaper). 50s are good, there is a market for 70s, but bigger than that should be mainline.

Just my $.02

 

[Piedmonster]

US Airways Successful???????......

I worked for Airways group for over 3.5 years and that place is the most piss poor managed airline out there with the exception being maybe Midwest Express now Midwest. There is no way any union is going to agree to matching costs to beating Southwest. Southwest is going to eat US airways lunch. Everytime Southwest comes to town US Airways tucks tail and runs. Philly unfortunately will be no exception. I really hope it works for you but I am a realist. I would be looking for another job before it gets too late. I still think When United gets out of bankruptcy they will buy what left of Airways.