PSA getting 70 seat jets?

[Smoking Man]

I really doubt it matters what we say. I am sure that fault would be found with any and all of our actions.

To me this is starting to look like the new commercial with Bret Farve, with him telling everyone what he would have done.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Bluestreaker...........

PDT did agree to concessions for jets???? On one of my last deadheads outta DCA the PDT crew said they were left out in the cold on jets and that they POSITIVELY didn't take any concessions for ANYTHING??? True? If so, I hadn't heard and stand corrected.........any shame on them if they did........

 

[328dude]

Actaully PDT did join in for J4J's after PSA was givin the intiial order. A little to late and were told it was a moot point.

There is things in the works to try to protect both ALG and PDT pilots. Even a resolution that was drafted that covered this topic was brought up at our last MEC meeting and both Olaf and Rick were there. The status of it is at idle untill the future is know.

Will the three wholly owned combine senority list's? No, but a few other ideas are out there.

 

[Piedmonster]

US AIRWAYS

I think all this talk of jets going to the wholly owneds is a moot point. I give US Airways until the end of 2004 before the whole group goes back into bankruptcy and gets liquidated. The writing is on the wall G-men Southwest is going to eat Airways alive in Philadelphia. and Airways management can't seem to get the picture and start really running an airline. Its just a matter of time

 

[d328pilot]

I disagree. I think the future of U is bright. 3rd quarter last year U lost 390 million dollars. 3rd quarter this year only 90 million. A 300 million improvement.

The star alliance will bring an estimated 100 million a year in additional revenue. A good example will be the new MUC-CLT flight operated by LH. This flight will not cost U any money, but will deliver 300 additional passengers a day into the system per day. and that is just one flight.

Also in helping to bring more people into the system will be the rjs. For PSA the 60 rjs alone will increase our seats in the system by 600. If you figure 5 banks a day. That is an ADDITIONAL 3000 people per day that can be in the system.

SWA in PHL. This presents a very unique problem. But one that U is able to win, if management and the unions can work together. We have to be able to match cost with SWA on the routes they fly. There are 2 ways this can happen. Mainline lowers their operating cost OR provides scope relieve to add large rjs to fly those routes. If you have a CRj705 for instance. You can have flights for the same fare, because of the lower costs. But in addition, you have 1st class seats, frequent flier miles, and access to 126 countries that the Star alliance serves. If it costs the same, who would you go with?

You do not bring jobs back by adding mainline flights at this time. You grow the feed, and the growth at mainline comes a little later. How do you grow the feed? RJs and alliances. Why are the most financially stable carriers the largest rj operators? Because the have the feed to fill up the mainline jets.

U is not doomed. Seigel said himself that he did not expect a profit until 2005. That is still a year away. A 300 million improvement in just one quarter alone is a very good step in the right direction. In fact, i think the future will be bright. We all just have to work together.

 

[meanstreak]

d328pilot

Face it, AIrways will most likely not make it. You can brag about all the RJ's your going to get but Airways is losing the battle. Sorry.

 

[d328pilot]

i list facts and figures...back your statement up with something other than your opinion. please enlighten me as to how I am wrong about the rjs, how the alliance will not bring any money in and how a 300 million reduction in loss is not a step in the right direction. Sometimes things take time to turn around. Not everthing can be fixed in one day.

 

[RUhiring?]

Management and the unions can no longer work together. Seigal has lost his troops. There aren't any employees who have any trust or respect for this guy. The only way to save this sinking ship is to get rid of Seigal and bring in someone who knows what they are doing, and can explain his plans to the employees and Wall Street.

 

[Stuka Luva]

Perfect world I'd love to see:

PSA ~100 RJs
PDT ~100 RJs
ALG ~100 RJs
MESA --Burning in hell (the company, not the employees)

Oh yeah...and US Air becoming successful...

Also, I think it'd be a bad idea to have 705s (-900 series CRJs) at PSA or any express carrier. It starts to set a precident that if we (corporate thinking) can ship 90 pax coast-to-coast on an express flight, what's the point of having a Mainline? Why operate at mainline coast structure when you can do it at an express level (I'm talking all express--PSA, Comair, Eagle, whatever--it's cheaper). 50s are good, there is a market for 70s, but bigger than that should be mainline.

Just my $.02

 

[Piedmonster]

US Airways Successful???????......

I worked for Airways group for over 3.5 years and that place is the most piss poor managed airline out there with the exception being maybe Midwest Express now Midwest. There is no way any union is going to agree to matching costs to beating Southwest. Southwest is going to eat US airways lunch. Everytime Southwest comes to town US Airways tucks tail and runs. Philly unfortunately will be no exception. I really hope it works for you but I am a realist. I would be looking for another job before it gets too late. I still think When United gets out of bankruptcy they will buy what left of Airways.

 

[Dash8]

Actaully PDT did join in for J4J's after PSA was givin the intiial order. A little to late and were told it was a moot point.

There is things in the works to try to protect both ALG and PDT pilots. Even a resolution that was drafted that covered this topic was brought up at our last MEC meeting and both Olaf and Rick were there. The status of it is at idle untill the future is know.

Will the three wholly owned combine senority list's? No, but a few other ideas are out there.

the mec's idea of combining pdt/alg then stapling us to the BOTTOM of yourlist will not fly brother....

i understand rank/file psa pilots issues with a DOH merger, but not many of the rest of us are gonna go for being stapled at the bottom of psa's list....

imho, it's a wasted effort....
nothing personal 328dude, just how things are

 

[RUhiring?]

Why not? I just came from a US Airways Group airline and am at the bottom of the list with a 10-1-03 DOH. Although I was hired at U in 1989.

I'm not advocating the "stapling" of any seniority list. Just pointing out that there has already been a precident set.

 

[328dude]

Ok, I'll agree with you on that, but what would you do? Realistically?

Would you rather we combine the two of you together tommorrw that way you start acruing senority, or how about just giving you preferential hiring like we have now and who knows how many of PDT and ALG guys would be protected.

If you claim that's not how it is done under ALPA bi-laws, then name me a instance were it was done by the book.

The combined senority list now is nothing short of a attempt to flow thru to mainline years ago. It's not accurate and has no bearing on this situation.

No matter what this MEC decides to do to help, everyone loses.

If you recall, I still remember the qoute from the ALG and PDT MEC's when we filed a section one grevience over the creation of DCAir on using our certificate and the both of your MEC's said "Sucks to be you". at the executive board.

Where was the unity then?

Hmmm, believe me, that is still very fresh in alot of the MEC's eyes here.

 

[Dash8]

I don't know what could be done, realistically,
your guys would never go for a DOH merging, the rest wouldn't go for a staple, it's prolly all a moot point, the davel and his cronies have seen to the more than likely eventual demise of this airline.

I don't know about any doh mergers being done in the past, because i'm not that familiar with alpa/airline history.

your right, despite what anyone does, everyone loses here, unless there's some serious changes in ccy

as for the dcair stuff, i don't believe i was around for that, and while it doesn't surprise me that the then mec's might have shunned you, that doesn't make it right either.

this whole business sucks, and the unions aren't doing much to help.
for the most part, they are selfserving demagogues, particularly at alpa nat'l, compounded by the incompetence and malevolence of management towards us working schlubs.
so now we've all been sent down the river and everyones clammoring for purchase on any piece of floating detritus. there's been many instances where we all should have stood together and didn't, pdt/alg gave you guys the cold shoulder over dcair, and your mec sold you and everyone else out by signing onto the agreement without even allowing you to vote on it.

and people looked at me funny back in the day when i was flying in the private sector and said i didn't ever want to work at the airlines...

 

[N93]

The word from a couple of Bombardier types is that PSA contracted with Bombardier for CRJ 700 Initials through the end of next year. Take it for what its worth.

 

[FR8mastr]

I dont know exactly what the previous MEC's at ALG said or didnt say, but "sucks to be you" is highly doubtful. and most of them are no longer in office. But to their defense, what exactly were they to do? We did not renig on any agreements with PSA. We did not undercut your contract for our gain. and we had no say what so ever in the DC air thing. Nor did we say if we get "X" you can take PSA and kill them off. This line of thinking is just more of the excuses (similar to the ones from the buy your job folks) to justify to themselves as to why they are taking the course of action they are on. We will work together or surely die. And even then U is such a mess we will probably die anyway.