Professional pilots pay and non professional immigrants pay.

[KeroseneSnorter]

Twice the truckers 70k in 5 to 10 years huh? Oh you poor misguided souls.

12 Years here getting paid flying. Only flight instructed 1.2 years, Aircraft flown for a paycheck range from a C-172 to a B-747. Lots of time in the left seat burning kerosene in both turboprops and jets............Never even come close to making 140k........only broke 70k one year, then got furloughed and went back to flying 172's as a CFI for a bit. Clawed my way back up to heavy iron, still not back to the 70k though.

Oh and the furlough? 90% of the routes that I made in excess of 70k flying the 737 are now being flown by RJ's. Why? Because the crews fly them for such low pay they can run 2 RJ's instead of 1 737.

If the current status quo is kept......you will never see the 140k.

Right now, I will get to see that elusive 140k........if my company survives.....and I do not get furloughed.....and I can keep my medical for another 8 years. If I am real lucky and make it at my present company for another 23 years until I hit 60 I may be able to bring home 200k plus.......I'm not holding my breath.

Fight for it now, there may not be a later.

 

[se1776]

the sad thing is that you GRINGOS talk about the Mexican working for nothing but look at you guys.

some of you have 4 year degree and the legal rights to work in the US.

on the other hand Illegally Mexicans are making more money than most of you pilots with no education required.

that's right some Mexicans working on the corn fields drive a Lexus to work. and you pilots can't even drive a nice car because what's
$19,000 a year going to do

if you pay rent a month $500.00 x 12 = $6000
food and drinks a year....................... $3000
Fuel a Year...................................... $1500
car payments if you have one $400x 12 $4800
insurance........................................ $1000
cloth a year first year uniform .............$1000
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$19,000 a year - $17300 = $1700 left

Unless your dad pay for that nice car.

lots you pilots said when things go wrong

My dad will pay for that
My mom will take care of that

come on grow up

Pilots + SJS = Mexicans Gringos.

what's $19,000 on the first year then in 10 years I'll probably make $30,000 if I upgrade or even $50,000.

By the time you guys make that money the Mexicans are going to be the executives. Remember Money Talks

Flying and airplane is great just that you "Mexicans Gringos are screwing things up"

Pilots + SJS = Mexicans Gringos.

 

[bugchaser]

I've driven a truck, it sucks no matter how much it pays. You think you're life is tough now? Try staying on the road for 4 weeks at a time and getting about 3-4 hrs of sleep each night. No way to live.

 

[crashpad]

Driving a truck made me cry. Flying makes me happy.

Is it just me, or are the news networks airing the illegal problem a whole lot more? I'm guessing we're closing the borders soon and making a nation-wide sweep before this turns into a situation like Isreal and Palistine.

 

[jumppilot]

You guys are all morons!!

Agreed.

 

[boxjockey]

Just give it 6 years. Air traffic will grow by 80%, as we are now mass transit, and 30% of current pilots will be retired. Flight training is down after 911. Things will slowly swing back into our favor, just not right now unfortunately.

box

 

[GuppyPuppy]

I've driven a truck, it sucks no matter how much it pays. You think you're life is tough now? Try staying on the road for 4 weeks at a time and getting about 3-4 hrs of sleep each night. No way to live.

Isn't that the life of an Atlas pilot?

GP

 

[Prop2Jet]

Hey for all of you who are short sighted and or have been flying for 13 years and have not yet made the national Capt. pay at a major here is some facts for you.

Captain/Pilot in Command (Large Jet)
25th%ile Median 75th%ile
$90,589 $99,865 $113,837

Co-Pilot (Small Non-Jet) 25th%ile Median 75th%ile
the United States $31,187 $53,176 $67,713

These numbers seem a bit high (co-pilot) but they give a realistic portrayal of what to expect in the END not now.

O my look!

Truck Driver - Heavy 25th%ile Median 75th%ile
the United States $31,089 $34,656 $39,685

I could be a smart ass but I think I will let the number speak for themselves.


Source: WWW.salary.com
(pretty cool web site!)

 

[TinGoose1]

Imigrants flying airplanes? You obviously haven't heard Pinnacle on the radio lately.

 

[J bar]

Hey for all of you who are short sighted and or have been flying for 13 years and have not yet made the national Capt. pay at a major here is some facts for you.

Captain/Pilot in Command (Large Jet)
25th%ile Median 75th%ile
$90,589 $99,865 $113,837

Co-Pilot (Small Non-Jet) 25th%ile Median 75th%ile
the United States $31,187 $53,176 $67,713

These numbers seem a bit high (co-pilot) but they give a realistic portrayal of what to expect in the END not now.

O my look!

Truck Driver - Heavy 25th%ile Median 75th%ile
the United States $31,089 $34,656 $39,685

I could be a smart ass but I think I will let the number speak for themselves.


Source: WWW.salary.com
(pretty cool web site!)

p2j you are a freaking morron. I promise your view will change when you have more than 2 hours. If my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle, The only thing that matters is what you make now. You clearly don't think much of your self or you would demand more for what you do.

 

[Dash8301]

Because we have people that say they will FLY FOR FREE.

I think it's worse than you thought we have people (MAG FAGS) that would PAY TO FLY

 

[pinkbush]

I have no problem flying for 50 seat pay. Call it "lowering the bar" but as long as there's pilots out there like myself, truck drivers will always make more cash than us.

 

[Green]

Call me crazy but I just don't think 90k is anything to write home about these days. That should be on the low end of fo pay. We should be in the 200-300k range for an airline captain. I keep bringing this up on the boards but the AVERAGE ATC pay is 165k per year including benefits. Now lets assume benefits are worth 30k/year (high end) then that means the average air traffic controller makes at least 135k year cash! Pilots aren't even close to that on average. Airline pilots should be able to afford to buy a house in San Francisco, Lax, Sea, San, NY, Bos, etc just like all the doctors, lawyers, real estate agents, etc that live in those areas.

The guy who's friend was toughing it out at Morgan Stanely for a year probably has a much greater salary to look forward to than any present day pilot. He doesn't have to wait 10-15 years to upgrade and then worry about his company tanking. I think it's high time we stand up and put an end to this grovelling bs attitude that we're all just lucky to have a job and (even more annoying) "at least we don't have to work for a living." Sorry for the rant.

 

[se1776]

I don't know why are you guys only talking about truck drivers
anybody in general make more money than pilot.
that's my point

The airline executives are richer and their poor pilots still stuck in the same
hole. Trying to pay for their training and barely making a living.
is not about people form other countries screwing things up.
Right now the airlines would not even offer you a job if you not a citizen.
So is not the foreigner working for pennies is you the US citizens.
I now you guys never going to admit that sad reality.
I think a regional airline job to make a living these days don’t even think about it.
You’ll need two or three jobs to live an average life.

My question is why spend $50,000 or $80,000 in training to make
$19,000 or even $30,000 a year.

What happen to the good old days when an airline pilot job was a luxury or at least a great job equal or at the same level of a doctor or a lawyer.
You know at least the respect a PROFESSIONAL individual deserves. That means fear Pay and the way of living.

A TSA employee makes more money and he has the right to screw up your life just because he has the authority over pilots.

I am not saying flying a plane is bad . I mean let these regional airline pay that low is what I mean WHY THE PAY IS SO LOW?

 

[prpjt]

.
I am not saying flying a plane is bad . I mean let these regional airline pay that low is what I mean WHY THE PAY IS SO LOW?

Why is pay so low? I think it's pretty simple. I'll use this analogy.

Let's say I have 3 guys willing to mow my lawn.

One guy is charging $200 because he has a masters degree in horticulture.

One guy is charging $125 because he thinks he's worth it.

One guy is charging $75 because he needs a job.

I let all 3 do the lawn one time, and they all do a reasonable job. I am going to use the $75 dollar guy until he get's fed up and goes to drive a truck.

I will not pay $125 to have my lawn mowed until there is nobody willing to do it for $75.

 

[pinkbush]

Why is pay so low? I think it's pretty simple. I'll use this analogy.

Let's say I have 3 guys willing to mow my lawn.

One guy is charging $200 because he has a masters degree in horticulture.

One guy is charging $125 because he thinks he's worth it.

One guy is charging $75 because he needs a job.

I let all 3 do the lawn one time, and they all do a reasonable job. I am going to use the $75 dollar guy until he get's fed up and goes to drive a truck.

I will not pay $125 to have my lawn mowed until there is nobody willing to do it for $75.

Thats where I come in. I'll mow it for 50

 

[erj-145mech]

Just wait until management figures out how to outsource airplane driving. The official language on ATC will be Hindu.

 

[viper548]

Just wait until management figures out how to outsource airplane driving. The official language on ATC will be Hindu.

People will tolorate calling customer service and getting India, but I don't think they would tolorate the pilots being outsourced (at least I hope they wouldn't).

 

[Prop2Jet]

J bar, THIS ONE IS 4 U!

Thanks for your professionalism and true erudition regarding my comments. I do not think you grasped the point of my posting. It clearly shows that during a career in the airlines you will make more money, even more than a truck driver. Not once did I ever state that I enjoy nor did I ever condone making the wages I am earning now. Do I think it sucks, yes. Do I feel underpaid? Yes. BUT, I know that I can't get something for nothing and it will require years of work to get their.

As for your comments regarding my self valuation, you are far from correct. I have seen both sides of the pay scale and with an advanced degree I have the option to pursue again the buck instead of actually enjoying my job. There are some things in life that are just more important to me than the tax bracket I fit into. Judging by your posts and your attitude I can tell you are young and do not yet realize what commitment and sacrifice will bring you in the end.

I could sit here and call you a rash of bad names which demean you but as I can tell this would only incite more negativity. If I am a moron, by the way that is correct spelling not MORRON, (funny how that works) then I guess after I get my "2 hours" so you say, I will figure it all out just like you. O wait your still flying, so what is it I am supposed to figure out?

P2J

 

[Damich]

P2J,

You are a moron! I have a feeling you will be singing a different tune when you hit age 60 and have nothing to show for all your hard work. Don't sell yourself short!