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I guess we'll have to see how it turns out. Although I fail to see the detrimental results some here wish. How pasting an entry from a public blog is somehow going to affect a furloughees job status. And it is most obvious that the original post was simply taken from the blog entry.

In the end are we still really employees of NJA? Opinions vary.

Because if you think about it. A furloughee could very easily go work for Options/Flex, let them know everything they know (which prob. isn't very much, we are just line pilots after all) and in 5-10 years come back to NJA without NJA ever knowing what went on in the previous 5 years.

As far as FlyLow or any one of the FI nerds searching through past posts. All I can say is good for you. If I ever do come back to NJA you can have at it. Hell they can post my name for the whole NJ world to see. Because when it comes down to it there won't be a one of them who would be man enough to have a face to face off company time.

Their opinions mean very little to me just as mine means little to them. Only they get all worked up over the simplest things. And in a week they'll be onto the next negative post about NJA. And I'll be right there antagonizing them because it is just so easy.

I've had my fun and stress relief for the day. Tomorrow is a pool day.

Adios
 
Nothing to worry about. We have two "Double Naught Agents" working on it and they'll catch the rascal that dared to post public info on FI!

Forget about the house burning down in the meantime, this is more important. Sokol will proably have a news conference this afternoon announcing the culprit has been caught.

The world has been saved!
 
OK... My last post on this thread.

Basically every single thing that was in the email was printed in the online Forbes Magazine article I read, so I don't get what the hub-bub is all about. If CRJ cut and pasted the email from another outside source onto FI, he has the right to do it. He hasn't violated any corporate policy that I could reference. Was it a cheap blow to stir the pot... probably yes, but still it wasn't a bomb shell internal revelation of secret company information. ANY Corporate leader with 1/2 a brain knows when you type something and hit the send button, you might as well broadcast it on YouTube.

What exactly did Sokol say that has everyone so upset? I don't see it. I honestly don't see it. CRJ may or may not be liked on here (half you guys hate my guts from 5 years ago), but posting an information that he found readily available elsewhere certainly doesn't warrant his termination.

Owner is right... why? because he's an owner! And because he said what is correct, owners will stay or leave based on their "NJ experience". And that's why I've been busting my A double S for the last 4 months so this company can keep what we have and slowly return to having an awesome flying job, instead of just another aviation job.
 
First off, "hoping" a fellow pilot gets fired is garbage. That email was in the public eye before it was ever posted here.

Second, you guys flying the line have more important things to worry about than what gets posted here. It's like watching the camp fire while the tank farm across the street is exploding.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can understand the OP's position for posting this thread. This is the only avenue available for dialogue between active and furloughed pilots. The eboard denied the non-public channels. Make it an issue with them if you want this type of stuff off this board. Every union pilot should be treated with the same respect no matter their status.
 
I'm ready to contribute to CRJ's legal fees if I get a piece of the settlement. Getting fired for clipping a news item from one public website and pasting it on another oughta be worth a chunk of punitive damages.
 
Thanks for the good read and cheers for posting it. Some of you people need to get over yourselves acting like the gestapo for NJ...and liberalism for that matter
 
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First, Flylow is a joke for asserting that this guy could get fired for posting something that SOKOL obviously knew would get out anyway (the Internet makes it easy). We don't live in Nazi Germany. SOKOL knows what he is doing.

Sure, aviation is a small community, but suggesting/encouraging someone get cross-checked and potentially fired for printing something like this (the "dirty laundry") is completely ridiculous and a bit dickish... Employees can be upset by communications from management - no big surprise there. Give the dude a break - he wants to leave to another company and people want to prevent that? What?

No disrespect to my Netjets friends and former co-workers out there, but I am starting to think you Netjetters are just too in to yourselves. You were at the apex once and now you are not - NOW GET OVER YOURSELVES.
 
Im gonna tweet this email ..and do everything I can to spread it to the end of the internet.
Maybe I can get on the Cafferty File
 
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2000/05/36338

"A lot of companies are monitoring these message boards all the time. When they see something they don't like, they instantly file a lawsuit," said Rob Lytle, a trade-secret attorney for Howrey Simon Arnold & White in Houston.

"There are dozens and dozens of these cases," agreed Chris Hansen, an attorney with the ACLU.

Problem is, say critics, many of the cases are bogus -- the suing company is filing the case solely to unmask its online enemies.

To do that, it issues subpoenas to the online company that hosts the message board or chat room, asking for the identity of the alleged defamers. Many Net companies, including the biggest message board hosters like Yahoo, will ultimately hand over a user's name in response to subpoena. "Once the company knows who you are, they can fire you if you're an employee, or they can intimidate you with their big corporate lawyers," said Megan Gray, an attorney for Baker & Hostetler in Los Angeles.
 
It'd be awful hard to fire someone not on the property. The only correspondence from the company that any of us are required to answer is a recall notice. They'd have to notify him of a hearing, then give him a briefing to get to that hearing. To give him a briefing, they'd have to recall him. To recall him, they have to give a recall to everyone senior to him. See where I'm going with this?

All this garbage is ridiculous.....
 
I don't think they have to do any of that. A certified letter maybe. Maybe they don't notify you at all. You get your hearing the day you would normally be recalled... Your next normal duty day. That's your brief. When everyone else is in Indoc.

But I don't think they are looking for furloughed pilots with this letter.... Bigger Fish. Probably current or former exec... Thats whoever is emailing Alice Schroeder.

I am just posting the Wired article to prevent any of us from being caught in the web cast for that person.
 
We have 5 laid off NJ's guys here, looks like we will get to keep them a little longer, that can not be all bad, they are great employees.
 
OPECJet said:
It'd be awful hard to fire someone not on the property. The only correspondence from the company that any of us are required to answer is a recall notice. They'd have to notify him of a hearing, then give him a briefing to get to that hearing. To give him a briefing, they'd have to recall him. To recall him, they have to give a recall to everyone senior to him. See where I'm going with this?

All this garbage is ridiculous.....
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He went through a whole ethics class including a test at the end. He signed a piece of paper and guess what, it covers this sort of trash.

He made it quite clear who's side he's on. Now he can stay there.
 
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G200_PILOT said:
He went through a whole ethics class including a test at the end. He signed a piece of paper and guess what, it covers this sort of trash.

He made it quite clear who's side he's on. Now he can stay there.
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All I'm saying is that the company is going to have to wait until they recall him to take any disciplinary action against this guy. We are under no obligation to answer any correspondence from the company with the exception of a recall letter. Nothing stops them from having carpet dance on his first day back, but aside from a lawsuit, that's as far as it will go in the short term. That's the only point I'm making and it's in response to one of the first replies.

I'm not condoning the intent of the thread. I don't appreciate it being here, but I understand why it's here since there is no non-public forum where NetJets specific topics can be discussed among active and furloughed pilots. You can thank the eboard for that.
 
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OK... My last post on this thread.

Basically every single thing that was in the email was printed in the online Forbes Magazine article I read, so I don't get what the hub-bub is all about. If CRJ cut and pasted the email from another outside source onto FI, he has the right to do it. He hasn't violated any corporate policy that I could reference. Was it a cheap blow to stir the pot... probably yes, but still it wasn't a bomb shell internal revelation of secret company information. ANY Corporate leader with 1/2 a brain knows when you type something and hit the send button, you might as well broadcast it on YouTube.

What exactly did Sokol say that has everyone so upset? I don't see it. I honestly don't see it. CRJ may or may not be liked on here (half you guys hate my guts from 5 years ago), but posting an information that he found readily available elsewhere certainly doesn't warrant his termination.

Owner is right... why? because he's an owner! And because he said what is correct, owners will stay or leave based on their "NJ experience". And that's why I've been busting my A double S for the last 4 months so this company can keep what we have and slowly return to having an awesome flying job, instead of just another aviation job.
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Aw, you need a hug?
I don't know of anyone that hates your guts.;)
 
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=121928

G200

Come on..you of all people should know better......

You accused an innocent person and tried your smear campaign to get her to be the most hated pilot at NJ. I'd take a guess that if you asked 495 furoughees who they disliked most, you'd be one. Not worried at all about your opinion. But thanks for your input.

And if in 5 or more years your dream comes about, you can be the first one to say "Yippeee". That is if any of the managers are even left at that point. DS is prob. leaving within the year. I'm sure he has very little to do with his time so this FI thread will be at the top of his list. Oh wait, he is in charge of 3 seperate BKH entities. Maybe his next 5 years will be a little busy.
 
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aww come on now. You DO realize that the person you're talking about was at my New Years Eve party right? While you probably would like to turn the attention on me, this time it's going to stay ALL on you baby! Bitter sweet it is man. You pranced around on your high horse long enough. Wanna call me??

Ha!
 
And besides, I would never post names again. Not here anyway. I do feel bad about the whole Porter issue and I was forgiven by the person that was wrongfully accused. She's a great person. She has a lot more class than you, that's for sure.
 
Do I wanna call you? Not really, I enjoy being a heterosexual. Intend on keeping it that way.

But have a good time with whatever enjoyment you find out of this thread. That's what I posted it for.
 
G200_PILOT said:
How ya been buddy? Seeing how you're trying to ruin the company I work for and depend on, I'm going to thoroughly enjoy watching you leave this place. As moderator on the other forum, it was nice to match up IP addresses and put two and two together.


I have ZERO issues with watching a guy like you get terminated for blatant ethical violations of Berkshire Hathaway.

Tootles....
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Psssssssssssssssssssssssssst..... :rolleyes:


Prime reason why I'm not a member over there.

Pay money... be outted. No board is getting my FAA info.
 
We know. Your the greatest. But your still the village idiot.
 
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Just changed my a/c to fit this threads tone.

Have at your little quest. Again, the fairly obvious main post is a clear cut and paste from Alice Schroeders blog. It is pretty apparent that the most likely source is someone in management still employed at NJA.

But hold onto this thread, store it up your a.ss for all I care, and in 5 or more years you can go to town. Whatever gets ya off I guess.
 

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