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wolfpackpilot
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Well uh... the CRJ is kinda like that fat chick over at Phi Mu (rattle, rattle here come the cattle). We've all done her, but no body wants to admit it.
:erm:
Im just say'n
wolfpackpilot
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OK, so I just his email, and assuming it is authentic I really don't see what the big hub-bub is all about.
Think of it as a stage coach:
Look folks, the company has changed from what it was 3 or 4 years ago, just as it has from what it was in 1995. That's the reality of life, regardless if it is business, or family... life changes. While we can all have our opinions on the state of the company, the moral, the new streamlining, in the end we cannot drive the coach unless the reins are in our hands.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is over this email. I kinda respect the man for saying whats on his mind.
Wolf
Think of it as a stage coach:
- Mr. Sokol has the reins in his hands, and Mr. Buffet has given him the road to travel and the time to be there. He can choose to run hard during the day and sleep at night, or push it all day and night and hope he gets there faster. Every choice he makes has to be carefully evaluated. He doesn't have the luxury of getting it wrong too many times. He has one or two people up there to look out for bad guys and maybe keep him company.
- We (the employees) are the horses. We can only do what we can physically do. If he pushes us too hard, we'll breakdown. If he doesn't feed us and give us rest, we'll break down. If he never comes and brushes us and gives us a carrot, we'll hate his guts and eventually break down.
- The owners are in the coach. They dont like bumps, hot weather, and they don't want to smell the horses "horsesh*t". They want their coach to be the nicest coach on the trail. And they don't want to pay full fair for their ticket. And they want some type of upgrade or amenity in the coach. (And the lead passengers wife wants a sparkling water with a lime twist... :laugh
Look folks, the company has changed from what it was 3 or 4 years ago, just as it has from what it was in 1995. That's the reality of life, regardless if it is business, or family... life changes. While we can all have our opinions on the state of the company, the moral, the new streamlining, in the end we cannot drive the coach unless the reins are in our hands.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is over this email. I kinda respect the man for saying whats on his mind.
Wolf
The truth is the ultimate defense.
I have been saying for almost a year now, the easiest way and best way for NJ to retain owners is to go back to treating them with respect, and (as a group) accept them as intelligent. Most owners are able to see thru the BS, and ultimately will vote with their legs and dollars. If owners do leave, it is not because of the message boards, very few are here. It will be because of their overall (not from the pilots) NJ "ownership experience".
I have been saying for almost a year now, the easiest way and best way for NJ to retain owners is to go back to treating them with respect, and (as a group) accept them as intelligent. Most owners are able to see thru the BS, and ultimately will vote with their legs and dollars. If owners do leave, it is not because of the message boards, very few are here. It will be because of their overall (not from the pilots) NJ "ownership experience".
Jack Mehoff
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The entire thing is kind of funny. DS is all butt hurt that the people he whacked are saying he's a D-Bag, and current employees are calling him a D-bag. He and his minions at Mid American were convicted of insider trading recently. Then BK sends out reminders to report ethics violations. Are you kidding me??
I think the Axe man is throwing a temper tantrum. If you're going to poop in the pool be prepared to be not liked.
NetJets is like an F'n day time drama now!
I think the Axe man is throwing a temper tantrum. If you're going to poop in the pool be prepared to be not liked.
NetJets is like an F'n day time drama now!
Not real sure why so many get their panties in a bunch over stupid things like this....I cut and pasted the e-mail from another msg. board. So the conspiracy theorists who think I received some top secret e-mail from a NJA'er and then posted it here are pretty much wrong. Some confidentiality at NJA. Real top secret. :bawling:
I very rarely if ever am in contact with anyone from NJ. Oh well... guess i'll just wait for that termination letter from NJA for a recall 5 years from now.
I very rarely if ever am in contact with anyone from NJ. Oh well... guess i'll just wait for that termination letter from NJA for a recall 5 years from now.
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I guess we'll have to see how it turns out. Although I fail to see the detrimental results some here wish. How pasting an entry from a public blog is somehow going to affect a furloughees job status. And it is most obvious that the original post was simply taken from the blog entry.
In the end are we still really employees of NJA? Opinions vary.
Because if you think about it. A furloughee could very easily go work for Options/Flex, let them know everything they know (which prob. isn't very much, we are just line pilots after all) and in 5-10 years come back to NJA without NJA ever knowing what went on in the previous 5 years.
As far as FlyLow or any one of the FI nerds searching through past posts. All I can say is good for you. If I ever do come back to NJA you can have at it. Hell they can post my name for the whole NJ world to see. Because when it comes down to it there won't be a one of them who would be man enough to have a face to face off company time.
Their opinions mean very little to me just as mine means little to them. Only they get all worked up over the simplest things. And in a week they'll be onto the next negative post about NJA. And I'll be right there antagonizing them because it is just so easy.
I've had my fun and stress relief for the day. Tomorrow is a pool day.
Adios
In the end are we still really employees of NJA? Opinions vary.
Because if you think about it. A furloughee could very easily go work for Options/Flex, let them know everything they know (which prob. isn't very much, we are just line pilots after all) and in 5-10 years come back to NJA without NJA ever knowing what went on in the previous 5 years.
As far as FlyLow or any one of the FI nerds searching through past posts. All I can say is good for you. If I ever do come back to NJA you can have at it. Hell they can post my name for the whole NJ world to see. Because when it comes down to it there won't be a one of them who would be man enough to have a face to face off company time.
Their opinions mean very little to me just as mine means little to them. Only they get all worked up over the simplest things. And in a week they'll be onto the next negative post about NJA. And I'll be right there antagonizing them because it is just so easy.
I've had my fun and stress relief for the day. Tomorrow is a pool day.
Adios
Nothing to worry about. We have two "Double Naught Agents" working on it and they'll catch the rascal that dared to post public info on FI!
Forget about the house burning down in the meantime, this is more important. Sokol will proably have a news conference this afternoon announcing the culprit has been caught.
The world has been saved!
Forget about the house burning down in the meantime, this is more important. Sokol will proably have a news conference this afternoon announcing the culprit has been caught.
The world has been saved!
wolfpackpilot
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OK... My last post on this thread.
Basically every single thing that was in the email was printed in the online Forbes Magazine article I read, so I don't get what the hub-bub is all about. If CRJ cut and pasted the email from another outside source onto FI, he has the right to do it. He hasn't violated any corporate policy that I could reference. Was it a cheap blow to stir the pot... probably yes, but still it wasn't a bomb shell internal revelation of secret company information. ANY Corporate leader with 1/2 a brain knows when you type something and hit the send button, you might as well broadcast it on YouTube.
What exactly did Sokol say that has everyone so upset? I don't see it. I honestly don't see it. CRJ may or may not be liked on here (half you guys hate my guts from 5 years ago), but posting an information that he found readily available elsewhere certainly doesn't warrant his termination.
Owner is right... why? because he's an owner! And because he said what is correct, owners will stay or leave based on their "NJ experience". And that's why I've been busting my A double S for the last 4 months so this company can keep what we have and slowly return to having an awesome flying job, instead of just another aviation job.
Basically every single thing that was in the email was printed in the online Forbes Magazine article I read, so I don't get what the hub-bub is all about. If CRJ cut and pasted the email from another outside source onto FI, he has the right to do it. He hasn't violated any corporate policy that I could reference. Was it a cheap blow to stir the pot... probably yes, but still it wasn't a bomb shell internal revelation of secret company information. ANY Corporate leader with 1/2 a brain knows when you type something and hit the send button, you might as well broadcast it on YouTube.
What exactly did Sokol say that has everyone so upset? I don't see it. I honestly don't see it. CRJ may or may not be liked on here (half you guys hate my guts from 5 years ago), but posting an information that he found readily available elsewhere certainly doesn't warrant his termination.
Owner is right... why? because he's an owner! And because he said what is correct, owners will stay or leave based on their "NJ experience". And that's why I've been busting my A double S for the last 4 months so this company can keep what we have and slowly return to having an awesome flying job, instead of just another aviation job.
First off, "hoping" a fellow pilot gets fired is garbage. That email was in the public eye before it was ever posted here.
Second, you guys flying the line have more important things to worry about than what gets posted here. It's like watching the camp fire while the tank farm across the street is exploding.
I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can understand the OP's position for posting this thread. This is the only avenue available for dialogue between active and furloughed pilots. The eboard denied the non-public channels. Make it an issue with them if you want this type of stuff off this board. Every union pilot should be treated with the same respect no matter their status.
Second, you guys flying the line have more important things to worry about than what gets posted here. It's like watching the camp fire while the tank farm across the street is exploding.
I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can understand the OP's position for posting this thread. This is the only avenue available for dialogue between active and furloughed pilots. The eboard denied the non-public channels. Make it an issue with them if you want this type of stuff off this board. Every union pilot should be treated with the same respect no matter their status.
johnsonrod
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First, Flylow is a joke for asserting that this guy could get fired for posting something that SOKOL obviously knew would get out anyway (the Internet makes it easy). We don't live in Nazi Germany. SOKOL knows what he is doing.
Sure, aviation is a small community, but suggesting/encouraging someone get cross-checked and potentially fired for printing something like this (the "dirty laundry") is completely ridiculous and a bit dickish... Employees can be upset by communications from management - no big surprise there. Give the dude a break - he wants to leave to another company and people want to prevent that? What?
No disrespect to my Netjets friends and former co-workers out there, but I am starting to think you Netjetters are just too in to yourselves. You were at the apex once and now you are not - NOW GET OVER YOURSELVES.
Sure, aviation is a small community, but suggesting/encouraging someone get cross-checked and potentially fired for printing something like this (the "dirty laundry") is completely ridiculous and a bit dickish... Employees can be upset by communications from management - no big surprise there. Give the dude a break - he wants to leave to another company and people want to prevent that? What?
No disrespect to my Netjets friends and former co-workers out there, but I am starting to think you Netjetters are just too in to yourselves. You were at the apex once and now you are not - NOW GET OVER YOURSELVES.
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