Pretty sad...thanks DS

[Jack Mehoff]

Ahh, the extended day issue. You won't find any extended days on my paycheck nor will you. I simply told you that if any pilot here decides to take one, it's deffinately within his or her rights.

It's funny how guys like you argue. You can't defend whats going on so you take a deference course. ADD is an ugly thing my friend.

There is no defense for turds like you and your "I was here pre 05 circle jerkers". You guys encourage the behavior that will continue to divide the pilot group.

You have many enemies my friend.

 

[Jack Campbell]

As a moderator on the other message board, I can tell you that it makes no difference whether it was made public somewhere else. Posting something that is/was to be kept confidential is a violation of the TOS. Yet some organization chose to make an issue out of 1 post. A lot of stuff gets pasted to message boards. It created an issue that eventually led to us deciding to shut the message board down for a little while. YOU were involved in that decision? Laughable! Rules are rules folks. It like saying that since the crooks broke the front window to a store, it is ok to take a little bit for yourself since it really wasn't you who broke in. No, its like saying that once you let the cat outta the bag, its outta the bag. No one stole anything. If its such a big deal, why wasn't Alice's site shut down?

Comments in bold are mine.

That letter should not have been made public. But once it is out there, you can't make it private again. Everyone on the other board should not be made to suffer for one man's actions. If 1 guy does something stupid like sending company confidential information outside, make him pay for it! Not me. Not all the furloughees. And not you.

Get off your high horse.

 

[gret]

As a moderator on the other message board, I can tell you that it makes no difference whether it was made public somewhere else. Posting something that is/was to be kept confidential is a violation of the TOS. It created an issue that eventually led to us deciding to shut the message board down for a little while. Rules are rules folks. It like saying that since the crooks broke the front window to a store, it is ok to take a little bit for yourself since it really wasn't you who broke in.

You are a moderator of what? Your butt?

Who the hell are you to say anything? Your post is a joke and obviously your are too. Arrogant dip ass.

I spent the last three months dealing with your mgmt and there is simply no hope. There are no brains there. 50% of your fleet is over 8 years old and 75% of the fleet is over 5 years old and your selling pieces of crap to anybody crazy enough to buy into the program.

...and you are worried about a post on FI that was already public?

Good luck!

 

[NJAowner]

Just to change the slant here:

with many qualifications, generally, courts are reluctant to enforce confidentiality clauses when the disclosed information is already in the public domain by no fault of the subsequent disclosee, regardless of whether that subsequent disclosee was under a legal obligation not to disclose such information.

Or in normal language, if the cat is out of the bag, as long as the later person was not involved in letting the cat out of the bag, his/her later disclosure, is usually, generally, not a violation of whatever confidentiality provision he or she is bound by.

***this is not legal advice. Consult your own lawyer about your specific legal situation.
**** -this also an end of the game possible legal analysis. It may take you much $$$ (sometimes supported by unions for the common good of all members) to get to that point. Legal suits are like poker -- the increases in legal fees are nothing more than upping the ante. Even if you have the winning hand, you must stay in to win.

 

[Lear70]

Helmsalee suspended for 3 days for using people's actual names on the board.

Please review the Flightinfo Terms of Service and abide by them.

/mod

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Helmsalee suspended for 3 days for using people's actual names on the board.

Please review the Flightinfo Terms of Service and abide by them.

/mod

Double Standard alert!

My friend Gruman Fan got totally booted off F.I. last year for doing the same thing. Posting an email with names in it.

 

[G200_PILOT]

There is no defense for turds like you and your "I was here pre 05 circle jerkers". You guys encourage the behavior that will continue to divide the pilot group.

You have many enemies my friend.

Its guys like you and CRJ that make the rest of the group look bad. The two of you have always been two peas in a pod. Misery likes company. You wanna talk about enemies? Are you kidding? You're one of the largest loudmouthed crybabies we have here. Cry me a river you baby. Boo-hoo. We get it, its all about you and how bad you have it. The funny thing is there are 100's of guys that got furloughed in January that have been able to move on and enjoy life. No matter what you or CRJ are doing these days, one thing's for sure, you haven't been able to let go. Too bad for the rest of us that have to listen to your whining.

 

[727C47]

guys someday God's grace we will be flying together again,whats done is done,time to move on and let go of the hatred and anger, it will only hurt you,wont make the situation better, and may keep you from moving on to a better place. im one of the 495, havn't been on Flt Info for a bit,and I am genuinely saddened that we are eviscerating each other like this. rant over. i hope each and every one of my furloughed brothers and sisters finds their way to a cockpit,or other lucrative path of their choosing. peace out.

 

[Lear70]

Double Standard alert!

My friend Gruman Fan got totally booted off F.I. last year for doing the same thing. Posting an email with names in it.

1. I wasn't moderating this time last year.
2. He probably was a repeat offender, I don't know, and I don't have time to go research the archives.
3. We moderate as we see fit. If you still have issues with something, you can email the webmaster: [email protected]

My moderation for repeat offenders/issues is:

1st offense: warning
2nd offense: 3 day suspension for minor issues, 7 days for serious/deliberate violations.
3rd offense: 30 day suspension with final warning
4th offense: Permanent ban

There isn't specific direction for the mods on the above steps, but we all seem to follow a similar pattern. We're not trying to be jerks about it, just trying to keep the board civil and within the ToS.

/mod

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Its guys like you and CRJ that make the rest of the group look bad. The two of you have always been two peas in a pod. Misery likes company. You wanna talk about enemies? Are you kidding? You're one of the largest loudmouthed crybabies we have here. Cry me a river you baby. Boo-hoo. We get it, its all about you and how bad you have it. The funny thing is there are 100's of guys that got furloughed in January that have been able to move on and enjoy life. No matter what you or CRJ are doing these days, one thing's for sure, you haven't been able to let go. Too bad for the rest of us that have to listen to your whining.

I seriously doubt that G200. You are known company wide a classless tool. You can't go into an FBO with out hearing a gold tie bring up your name and say "WTF is his malfunction?" You've had more then a few people actually threaten you because of your pro extended day and OT rants. You fell ass backwards into your seniority and you actually think you're better then the furloughed pilots. Sorry man but you are the true joke. No 2 ways about it.

 

[G200_PILOT]

I seriously doubt that G200. You are known company wide a classless tool. You can't go into an FBO with out hearing a gold tie bring up your name and say "WTF is his malfunction?" You've had more then a few people actually threaten you because of your pro extended day and OT rants. You fell ass backwards into your seniority and you actually think you're better then the furloughed pilots. Sorry man but you are the true joke. No 2 ways about it.

Are you f'ing high on dope??? Nobody has EVER threatened me about anything. The stories you constantly make up are seriously getting psychotic. You have absolutely NO idea what's going on in FBO lounges if that's what you've been hearing. YOU may not like what I say because it's not an easy topic to talk about sometimes but I can assure you that many folks stand behind what I've said covering many different topics. You just can't handle someone who isn't kissing your ass telling you how sorry they are that you're in this spot. Do I feel bad? Absolutely. I feel bad for every single furloughed pilot out there with the exception of a handful of whiny crybabies that I would love to see move on and go away. Yep, you've always been one of them. Oh, and trust me, I'm definitely NOT the only one who can't stand you. While you have your views about me, I can assure you that you're not missed around here. People got tired of your negative bull******************** a long time ago. Long before last January. Me? I'm quite comfortable with who I am. Those that know me on a personal level know that there's nothing I wouldn't do to help a fellow brother out.

But enough about me, what happened to your little buddy that started all this? How cute that you're here trying to distract the real issue here. No matter how hard you try, the ball's already rolling baby. You can try and pick a fight here but this will be the last post from me in the thread. There's more than one cat that's been let out of the bag and I'm satisfied how it's being handled.

Adios! Happy Labor Day!

 

[Jack Mehoff]

I don't agree with CRJ's posting of the letter and his comments on here. I don't doubt for a minute that you're used to guys standing behind you.

 

[172driver]

G200 is the guy who thinks everybody loves him, but they are actually laughing behind his back at what a tool he is. I know I do. Promoting extended days during furlough, trying to out people from anonymous forums on the company board - to the possible detriment of their career, posting pics and stories of his vacations and new toys while guys with families are hitting the streets...a real class act. The funny part is that he defends his actions till he's blue in the face, without seeing how it really looks to everyone else. Not even the hard liner web board dorks like him.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Those who should know about it will find out at some point. I think we should all know now, but it's not for me to say. Others, move along. Nothing to see here.

I think I am one who should know. I was wondering if the pressure came from the company or the union. If it was the union, that's now two forums I've been locked out of since 15 Jan.

 

[fischman]

NJASAP and NetJets had nothing to do with the "other" board being shut down.

Also, G200 never "promoted" taking extended days. You guys are blowing that out of proportion. He simply stated that it is a contractual right for every pilot to take one. I can't think of anyone voluntarily taking an extended day while there is a single one of you on furlough.

These aren't my personal views. These are simply facts.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

want to join him?? Cuz idgaf!!

Nice.

 

[amaineiac]

Also, G200 never "promoted" taking extended days. You guys are blowing that out of proportion. He simply stated that it is a contractual right for every pilot to take one. I can't think of anyone voluntarily taking an extended day while there is a single one of you on furlough.

No doubt that extended days are a contractual right, I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. The problem is the way G200 comes across pointing out that fact. He kicks the hornets nest and then complains when he gets stung.

I can't remember if NJASAP did it, or if it was my last MEC, but every so often, they would send out an email asking us to donate sick time for a pilot that had some medical issue and burned through his sick time.

If I'm not interested in donating my sick days, I could handle this one of two ways. One, I could ignore the email and go on my merry way. Or two, if I like being the center of attention, I could go to the message board and make a big deal about the union spamming me, ask how much of my union dues were being wasted sending out spam, remind the new guys that before 2005 we had no medical insurance, and top it off with suggesting that the guy should have planned better and gotten more insurance, instead of begging me for my hard earned sick time.

I have a contractual right to choose option two, but it shows a lack of judgment in my opinion. Arguing with someone that is on the verge of losing their house that it's a contractual right to take extended days shows a lack of judgment IMHO.

 

[gunfyter]

"... Remember when you told me to let you know when you were acting rudely and insensitively?"

see video:

WarGames movie - Mr. Potatohead! Backdoors are NOT secrets

 

[CA1900]

"Mr. potato head... Mr. POTATO HEAD!"

Perfect. :laugh:

 

[G200_PILOT]

No doubt that extended days are a contractual right, I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. The problem is the way G200 comes across pointing out that fact. He kicks the hornets nest and then complains when he gets stung.

I can't remember if NJASAP did it, or if it was my last MEC, but every so often, they would send out an email asking us to donate sick time for a pilot that had some medical issue and burned through his sick time.

If I'm not interested in donating my sick days, I could handle this one of two ways. One, I could ignore the email and go on my merry way. Or two, if I like being the center of attention, I could go to the message board and make a big deal about the union spamming me, ask how much of my union dues were being wasted sending out spam, remind the new guys that before 2005 we had no medical insurance, and top it off with suggesting that the guy should have planned better and gotten more insurance, instead of begging me for my hard earned sick time.

I have a contractual right to choose option two, but it shows a lack of judgment in my opinion. Arguing with someone that is on the verge of losing their house that it's a contractual right to take extended days shows a lack of judgment IMHO.

Ok, can't pass this up. Sorry.

It may be the way I say it but you guys seem to forget what started that whole discussion was the fact that SOMEONE talked about getting a list together. THAT'S when I jumped in and said what I said. I never told anyone that I was planning on extending. I'm not. The problem I had was the idea of the list. We went through something like that back in 2004 when we were going through tough contract negotiations. We all made a pact not to extend. Of course there were a few that did. Somehow those names ended up on a list that was made public and those that were on it, received threatening emails. THAT'S what I didn't agree with and that's why I defended the ability to extend. The idea of a list was a bad one and I didn't want to see that happen again. I made that very clear. Somewhere in that whole discussion it turned into me saying that it was ok to extend. While I agree that its not ok to extend, I also don't agree that its ok to put peoples' names on some list and treat them like they were a bunch of SCABS. That just isn't right.

I'm sure this will once again be twisted but thats what I said.