Prater Must Resign!!

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That's one of 3 reasons why it was tabled. We don't know how many other airline MEC's feel the same that way that we do.
To recall the President of ALPA,the ALPA executive board ,which is made up of ALL the MEC's (and should NOT be confused with the Executive Council,which is a different governing body ) must approve the recall measure by a vote of 50 percent plus 1 vote or by majority vote. (Not to sure which. It's been a few months since I last talked to my Capt rep about this topic ) Anyway,at this point, we aren't sure of how the other MEC's feel about going down this road. If Flopgut really want's to get his flying buddy Prater out of there,perhaps he ought to introduce a resolution at his next LEC meeting,calling for his ouster instead of complaining about it ad naseum on this webboard. But I guess like Rez and Occam like to say,that takes too much effort. Anyway ,that's where we are at my airline. 2 LEC's at one airline passed resolutions,currently tabled ,calling for Prater's ouster. Anyone else care to join in ?

PHXFLYR

Hence the complexities of self government. it is what it is....

And it shouldn't be easy.... otherwise knee jerk reactions would have a recall every quarter...

 

[PHXFLYR]

Are you implying that this a knee jerk reaction, Rez ??

PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Is it over one issue?

How many guys wanted to recall Duane? and how often?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Is it over one issue?

How many guys wanted to recall Duane? and how often?

No. Its several now.Not to mention a very real and distinct possibility that he may lose the USAir pilot group to USAPA. The fact of the matter is Prater,thru ALPA channels, could not persuade the USAPA organizers to hold off on sending in the decert cards to the NMB. Surely he has got to be held accountable for some of that being allowed to happen. If not,then I want his job next time it becomes available. I would love to be paid that kind of money and not be held accountable for my actions or in this case ,inaction.

PHXFLYR

 

[PCL_128]

Unfortunately, PHXFLYR is absolutely correct. Prater has proven his incompetence over and over again. The loss of USAirways to USAPA will be what he is remembered for decades from now. He has been a dismal failure, just as I feared when he won the election. But, the membership is also too incompetent and apathetic to get anything done, so they won't get rid of him, even though he should be on the fast track to recall. A shame that Prater could cause so much damage in less than 12 months.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Fair enough..... who's the replacement if the recall is successful. Power vacuums are bad... they suck all the losers out from under the carpet...

 

[PHXFLYR]

I wouldn't lump my pilot group in with those you consider apathetic, PCL. After all,we are the ones that passed the resolutions, currently tabled, calling for Prater's recall. So far no one else has followed our lead and regrettably we can't do this on our own . But everyone's quick to call for his head on a platter on good ol' FI.com......

Still wondering where ol' Flopgut stands on the issue and whether he has done anything to get the ball rolling at his airline.

PHXFLYR

 

[PCL_128]

Fair enough..... who's the replacement if the recall is successful. Power vacuums are bad... they suck all the losers out from under the carpet...

Agreed, but there are plenty of capable and experienced people within the Association that could do a much better job than Prater. Convincing them to step forward would be the hard part. Despite all this talk from flygirlwhatever and others about the "gratuitous" compensation of the President, very few people are willing to do this job because of the incredibly high workload. A smart recall effort would talk to some possible candidates before moving forward. Of course, the membership is too apathetic to do anything, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

 

[PCL_128]

I wouldn't lump my pilot group in with those you consider apathetic, PCL. After all,we are the ones that passed the resolutions, currently tabled, calling for Prater's recall.

Well, is the resolution passed or is it tabled? It can't be both. A tabled resolution isn't considered "passed," and you can't table an agenda item that has already been considered and voted on.

 

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[PHXFLYR]

Fair enough..... who's the replacement if the recall is successful. Power vacuums are bad... they suck all the losers out from under the carpet...

Who are the candidates? Better yet, you' re a little more ALPA- savey than most of us on this webboard, or at least you like to have us think you are. Who would you like to see, other than Prater ,run for ALPA President and replace him ? Who would you recommend to us ALPA neophytes,oh noble one?

PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Who are the candidates? Better yet, you' re a little more ALPA- savey than most of us on this webboard, or at least you like to have us think you are.

Ahh... you are starting to catch on....

Who would you like to see, other than Prater ,run for ALPA President and replace him ? Who would you recommend to us ALPA neophytes,oh noble one?

Well, I will say briefly the best way not to have to recall Prater was put the right guy in there in the first place. DW was the better choice during the last election. But the past cannot be changed...let's look to the future..

One of JP concerns is recency of expeirence..... politics is all about relationship building... 'Washington insider' is a double edge sword.

But let's look to the future... if JP were to be no more... looking at those who have the most relationships built and recency of exp.....the only real choice that I am aware of is.... PR.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Well, is the resolution passed or is it tabled? It can't be both. A tabled resolution isn't considered "passed," and you can't table an agenda item that has already been considered and voted on.

Woops!! Sorry. They are officially tabled . I think the word I was searching for was presented,not passed.

Yet.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Ahh... you are starting to catch on....




Well, I will say briefly the best way not to have to recall Prater was put the right guy in there in the first place. DW was the better choice during the last election. But the past cannot be changed...let's look to the future..

One of JP concerns is recency of expeirence..... politics is all about relationship building... 'Washington insider' is a double edge sword.

But let's look to the future... if JP were to be no more... looking at those who have the most relationships built and recency of exp.....the only real choice that I am aware of is.... PR.

Would he be interested?
And if so how would we go about finding out?

PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Would he be interested?
And if so how would we go about finding out?

PHXFLYR

Work thru your MEC and EVP..... perhaps the rez shouldn't be tabled...if your group is serious...

Also.. your group is gun shy cause the other MEC's aren't passing similiar rez's, this is were realtionship building between MEC's is important... and seriously lacking.... on this or any issue...

Also, consider the collective damage both nationally and internationally if ALPA can't keep its house in order. Yeah, we all know we are dysfunctional, but the rest of the industry, globally, actually respects us.... if we recall we can appear as a lame duck... the whole profession suffers.

Keep in mind... the profession is greater than ALPA. ALPA is only the custodian....