Police warning!!

[SammyG]

dude too much CSI Miami or Judge Judy whatever.....your statement above is incorrect

Neither of those shows I watch. I was told by a co-worker that in the state of Florida, we are allowed to ask to see it. But perhaps I should look into the matter myself for a more concrete answer.

Even if you're not allowed, you should be, or else the driver is without defense and vulnerable to be abused like I was on that day.

 

[FN FAL]

Neither of those shows I watch. I was told by a co-worker that in the state of Florida, we are allowed to ask to see it. But perhaps I should look into the matter myself for a more concrete answer.

Even if you're not allowed, you should be, or else the driver is without defense and vulnerable to be abused like I was on that day.

Even if you did see what was displayed on the radar, it's the officers word that speed indication displayed, was a result of clocking YOUR vehicle.

If the officer wanted to, he could clock a car doing 70 miles an hour and leave that displayed on the radar unit all day long.

Also consider this, what if the officer takes the hand held radar and points it at something that gives him a nice speed indication and then says it's your speed? There are ways to get hand held radar units to display a speed...point it in the cruiser and cycle the heater/ac fan motor speed control and clock untill you get the desired results.

I have nevere asked to see the display and I would never attempt to hold traffic court on the side of the road with an officer.

Three years ago, I got stopped for doing 11 over in a 55 at 4:20 in the morning. I had my cruise set at 7 over and wasn't going to kick it out, even though the officer was sitting in plain sight on the shoulder. I couldn't believe it when the officer turned his headligts on and came after me.

We get to talking and right away I made the comment that I believed his radar was more accurate than my speedometer (car had 200,000 miles on it) and he let me off with a verbal warning. He was adamant about this though...what really ticked him off was that I didn't hit my brakes when I passed by him. His exact words. So, if you think you're getting clocked, don't be afraid to show them brake lights...

 

[CitationXDriver]

I made no assumptions, nor do I do so.

In your young, arrogant state,

Hmmmmmmmm.........did I miss where he stated his age??

 

[CitationXDriver]

dude too much CSI Miami or Judge Judy whatever.....your statement above is incorrect

In the state of Illinois, I have asked and been shown. Not sure what the law reads on the subject though.

 

[FlyChicaga]

...like painting picknick tables muni green.

Don't mean to nitpick, but it's picnic.

 

[satpak77]

I was told by a co-worker that in the state of Florida, we are allowed to ask to see it. But perhaps I should look into the matter myself for a more concrete answer.

Even if you're not allowed, you should be, or else the driver is without defense and vulnerable to be abused like I was on that day.

Your co-worked is wrong. "Driver without a defense" is not alleviated by looking at a read-out on the radar unit

Its "commissioned peace officer" versus "citizen" testimony in court

I recommend you personally call the court involved and request "deferred adjudication" if you attend defensive driving. That is cheapest. OR hire an attorney to get it dismissed

 

[satpak77]

In the state of Illinois, I have asked and been shown. Not sure what the law reads on the subject though.

thats fine, but its not a legal requirement to show the driver that

 

[satpak77]

best thing is

when you get stopped, pull over to the side of road, almost to the grass, turn on dome light (if at night) and place your left hand on the window sill and your right hand over your left wrist. Seems funky but we are talking "keep the officer happy" here.

put car in PARK and take foot OFF brake. Contrast to "leave it in drive" and "hold brake" while Officer walks up to you. Add in "reach under seat and make lots of movement" to further displease the officer.

If on urban streets, pull into a grocery store parking lot or somewhere that the officer will not be hit by a bus when he gets out of his car. You do NOT need his adrenaline jacked up more than necessary....

if asked for insurance, tell him its in glove box, and ask if you can reach for it. DO NOT practice your latest fast-glove-box-opening-techniques at this time. See adrenaline comment above. Leave left hand in plain view at ALL TIMES.

99% of time, officer (with audio mic and car camera) will ask the violator "do you know why I stopped you"

tell him "yes sir, I am indeed exceeding the limit, but I got paged/a message/etc that my mom is sick due to unknown reasons and I am going home/to office/to friends house/etc to call her"

try not to say this directly into his lapel mike or it will be too obvious you got training in this area

95% of time you will be cut loose. Trust me on this.

no you dont know why she is sick thats why you need to call her, and yes, she is an older lady and older ladies get sick sometimes for unknown reasons. No sir, sorry, I don't know why she is sick. Has she had problems lately? Yes and she is sick or never ever had a problem and now she is sick.

no she is not at hospital she is at home but she is sick and she is my mom and I am expediting my driving to call my sick mom.

figure out your own excuse why you arent using your cell. not enough minutes, she ignores cell calls on Caller ID, whatever.

we are talking "not getting a ticket"....we can talk morality/dont tell lies/the bible/etc on another thread

 

[SammyG]

One day when I am rich I will have designed for me a car that can transform into a flying machine. Will be useful for days when I'm sick of sitting in traffic. I'll just hit the button, ascend into the air, and fly over all the other suckers in traffic, with my middle finger extended out the drivers side window, as I cruise at 300' agl to my destination.

Will also be useful when I see a police cruiser turn on its lights behind me on the road. I'd love to see his reaction when his "quota for the day" stop leaves him in smoke, scrambling for his radio and screaming "This car just took off into the air...really!" Me thinks it'll take him a while to show the video from his cruiser to his superiors, during which I will have already landed, changed out my fake license plate with a new one, and be in bed.

 

[FN FAL]

99% of time, officer (with audio mic and car camera) will ask the violator "do you know why I stopped you"

tell him "yes sir, I am indeed exceeding the limit, but I got paged/a message/etc that my mom is sick due to unknown reasons and I am going home/to office/to friends house/etc to call her"

try not to say this directly into his lapel mike or it will be too obvious you got training in this area

95% of time you will be cut loose. Trust me on this.

Not too long ago a cop asked me the "do you know why I stopped you?" bit.

I told him, "I think I have a pretty good idea."

He said, "Do you want to tell me what that is?"

I said, "No...you go first." (5th amendment).

He was quite pleasant, but he was surprised I wouldn't say what he wanted me to say (I had an idea that he was video taping the traffic stop). Wound up with a citizens contact report on the running of the yellow light (saved me 78 bucks and 3 points and a 10 dollar ticket for not wearing a seat belt.

I have a hard time with story telling, especially should the cop ask for your mom's phone number and whips out a cell phone so he can speak to her about her not feeling well. Cops don't mind if you elect to remain silent, it's your right to not incriminate yourself, but I do believe that cops get mad when you insult their intelligence by lying to them.

I hear what your saying on the excuse...but I would be real carefull about any fibbing when pulled over on the side of the road.

 

[satpak77]

yes all good points

 

[FN FAL]

yes all good points

What's interesting about the drivel concerning a driver that goes a few miles over the posted speed on a road and the quality of their flying decision making, was the fact that the NTSB report for the Pinnacle Disaster pointed out that neither pilot had any traffic records.

 

[Metro752]

My new job requires that I use a program to plot out my route, so I bought microsoft streets & trips with the GPS so I can watch myself on the moving map.............

anyway, My car shows 65, and I am doing 60 according to the GPS, my car shows 70, and I am doing 75 according to the GPS.

Is GPS that reliable that I can count on it to give me an accurate ground speed. It refreshes my position like every second if not faster.

 

[FN FAL]

My new job requires that I use a program to plot out my route, so I bought microsoft streets & trips with the GPS so I can watch myself on the moving map.............

anyway, My car shows 65, and I am doing 60 according to the GPS, my car shows 70, and I am doing 75 according to the GPS.

Is GPS that reliable that I can count on it to give me an accurate ground speed. It refreshes my position like every second if not faster.

You bring up an interesting point. On the beltways around MKE they have put up at least three of those radar speed signs as part of a speed enforcement/awareness program. I usually try and see what difference my speedometer says v. sign. If I go by at 60 it says i'm doing 56. So I'm reading about 4 miles faster than my speed indicates. Which would explain why the Waukesha County guy didn't flinch when I went past him with the cruise set at 14 over on Friday night. I was almost disapointed he didn't pull out, but after comparing my speedometer to the radar signs, I must have only been clocked at ten over.

I would think the gps is more accurate than your speedometer. Are you comparing mph to mph or mph to kts?

 

[Metro752]

MPH to MPH read out, then I tried it with KMPH, same. Maybe its just my car is crappy n old. Not sure.

I had a kid tell me back in high school that speedometers on most older cars, that aren't maintained (the speedometer) aren't very accurate after about 70mph

 

[satpak77]

yeah obviously a 1990 Tauraus has a 14 year old speedometer cable and associated hardware. In reality, it doesnt matter, because everyone else's car on the highway has a similar issue

but no, the speedo on your car is far from exact. Throw in tire size, inflation, etc

my dad always taught me, when in traffic, go with the flow, when solo, follow the posted limit

I can't stand it when everyone is doing 75 (on a 55 MPH road) and one clown in the center lane is doing 55.000 MPH, being a good law abiding citizen but actually being a safety hazard.

Speed itself does not kill. Nor will it hurt machinery thats well oiled and in good condition, and if its within the parameters of the equipment. No, a Mercury Tracer cannot do 100 MPH all day long.

One time I drove my 4.6L Mercury Cougar for 3 hours straight, at 95-105 MPH, on a highway in Mexico, with no problems at all. Got 25 MPG also. With overdrive the engine RPM was pulling the same thing as doing 35 MPH in the city.

 

[satpak77]

What's interesting about the drivel concerning a driver that goes a few miles over the posted speed on a road and the quality of their flying decision making, was the fact that the NTSB report for the Pinnacle Disaster pointed out that neither pilot had any traffic records.

yeah doesn't make sense. Maybe from a "past behavior equals future behavior" standpoint but the PNCL accident proves that is not always the case. Sometimes it takes a few tickets and spankings in childhood to learn a lesson.

Thats why major airlines require 3000-5000 TT before an interview, they want some "learned lessons" and scratched knees and some "I will never do that agains" from their new-hires. Major Airline XYZ Chief Pilot does not want his airline to be the first place you ever saw a thunderstorm or held over a navaid and had to make a fuel decision.

The PNCL crew's lesson that night ended in their deaths, leaving only the rest of us to learn from it.....

 

[CitationXDriver]

. No, a Mercury Tracer cannot do 100 MPH all day long.

One time I drove my 4.6L Mercury Cougar for 3 hours straight

Does somebody have a Mercury fetish??

 

[mattpilot]

No, a Mercury Tracer cannot do 100 MPH all day long.

One time I drove my 4.6L Mercury Cougar for 3 hours straight

Brings back some memories. While living in vienna, austria, i drove a '77 Opel Kadett (do a google search if you are really that interested). Its basically a 28 year old P.O.S. with a 50 HP engine. Back then it was considered a "sportscar". Anyhow, me and my oldtimer (officially recognized too ), went to visit my parents - roughly a 2 hour drive.

I usually filled it up with the poorest quality fuel i could find - 89 octane. Hey, it was P.O.S. car. But on this trip i decided to put some 98 octane (the highest) in it, to see how fast i could get the little bugger. ** I managed to get it up to 90mph with the pedal all the way down! Thats 20mph faster than what i could get it with the 89octane. I drove it at 90mph for the entire trip on the highway. It ran real smooth - ocassionally it sounded though as the engine would explode, but i just kept on going Even though i managed to get 90mph out of that bugger, cars still passed me on the highway, where average speed was ~100mph.

** some may be wondering, why does it drive faster with a higher octane fuel? Well, the lower octane fuel would cause detonation if i drove to fast, and the higher octane delayed it... so there...

 

[FN FAL]

MPH to MPH read out, then I tried it with KMPH, same. Maybe its just my car is crappy n old. Not sure.

I had a kid tell me back in high school that speedometers on most older cars, that aren't maintained (the speedometer) aren't very accurate after about 70mph

If you look in the articles in car and driver where they are evaluating a car, one of the things they put in the data is the speedometer error.

Think about it this way, how else do you think those companies get close to meeting EPA MPG? If you're indicating higher mph than you are really going, then you are clicking off more miles on your odometer...things that make you say mmmmmmmm? No wonder I'm getting 550 miles on a tank of gas!!!