PNCL management propaganda

[greyhound]

I'm new at all this union stuff but:

It's funny how some people try to justify crossing a picket line by stating that they will do it "for their families," or "because I need the money."

What these people don't realize is that we go through training every 12 or 6 months and I've heard some PC's don't go too well when the instructors know they have a scab in the hot seat.

How much does unemployment pay after getting let go from a regional?

How easy is it to get another airline job when you have been fired for not passing a PC?

At least if you get fired for striking you'll most likely get your job back by the union.

 

[TurboAWD]

Well, I don't think it will be to long until compass is in DTW.

Didn't think about the FO seat locks at XJ.

Still...
:erm:

Pinnacle Sucks!!! :angryfire

Turbo

 

[Flyer1015]

Well, I don't think it will be to long until compass is in DTW.

Didn't think about the FO seat locks at XJ.

Still...
:erm:

Pinnacle Sucks!!! :angryfire

Turbo

But, BUT! Phildo says we're "SIMPLY THE BEST!"


Surely, the BEST can't suck?

 

[TurboAWD]

Well, we are the best at being the worst...

Turbo

 

[HASBEEN]

Been there, done that...

EVERYONE in aviation is currently involved in an ongoing change, industry wide but much more obvious in the regionals.

I too would be pissed if I wrote a bunch of checks to make 17K a year, but...

No dammit, overall Pinnacle management is not out to get anyone, but yes, they are leading the pack in running the cheapest operation out there. And the employees feel the hit everyday. There is opportunity at 9E, but unfortunately the culture exists. Look at the turnover company wide, not just within the pilot group. It's unparalleled. Yes, part of it is Memphis, but it's a product of the management structure being very under-resourced. Just walk through the corporate office and you can feel the cubes oozing with stress. A pressure-cooker.

Just fly safe guys and don't let the company hurt the flying public.

 

[ChickenSled]

Been there, done that...

EVERYONE in aviation is currently involved in an ongoing change, industry wide but much more obvious in the regionals.

I too would be pissed if I wrote a bunch of checks to make 17K a year, but...

No dammit, overall Pinnacle management is not out to get anyone, but yes, they are leading the pack in running the cheapest operation out there. And the employees feel the hit everyday. There is opportunity at 9E, but unfortunately the culture exists. Look at the turnover company wide, not just within the pilot group. It's unparalleled. Yes, part of it is Memphis, but it's a product of the management structure being very under-resourced. Just walk through the corporate office and you can feel the cubes oozing with stress. A pressure-cooker.

Just fly safe guys and don't let the company hurt the flying public.

Clive?

 

[HASBEEN]

No. Just trying to be a realist about what is going on there.

If I were Clive I would be counting my money and thinking about my next Tahiti vacation... and definately not on this board.

 

[PCL_128]

No dammit, overall Pinnacle management is not out to get anyone

Keep dreaming. Anyone who's had the misfortune of having to deal with Pinnacle management face-to-face on a regular basis comes away with the realization that there is a pervasive hatred of the pilot group within the management ranks, from lower management all the way up to Phildo himself. It's not just that they don't care, or that they are indifferent to the pilots; no, they actually have a deep-seated hatred of the pilots. There are a few exceptions, especially in DTW base management, but the overall attitude in Pinnacle management is decidedly anti-pilot. Phildo has an egocentric obsession with "beating" the union and the pilot group, and that filters down to the rest of the management employees. It's a horrible situation.

 

[HASBEEN]

Keep dreaming. Anyone who's had the misfortune of having to deal with Pinnacle management face-to-face on a regular basis comes away with the realization that there is a pervasive hatred of the pilot group within the management ranks, from lower management all the way up to Phildo himself. It's not just that they don't care, or that they are indifferent to the pilots; no, they actually have a deep-seated hatred of the pilots. There are a few exceptions, especially in DTW base management, but the overall attitude in Pinnacle management is decidedly anti-pilot. Phildo has an egocentric obsession with "beating" the union and the pilot group, and that filters down to the rest of the management employees. It's a horrible situation.

With respect, I think you missed the point of my post. Yes, there are d1cks in management, but they are a product of the bigger system there, or rather some feed on the problem. We are not in disagreement. I was attempting to shed light on the core of Pinnacle's issues.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I miss the people though. A great bunch of gals and guys and a great bunch of pilots that have gotten a bad rap because of a handfull of knuckle heads.
In the other hand, with the level of attrition there. Maybe all the folks I know are gone

 

[405]

Keep dreaming. Anyone who's had the misfortune of having to deal with Pinnacle management face-to-face on a regular basis comes away with the realization that there is a pervasive hatred of the pilot group within the management ranks, from lower management all the way up to Phildo himself. It's not just that they don't care, or that they are indifferent to the pilots; no, they actually have a deep-seated hatred of the pilots. There are a few exceptions, especially in DTW base management, but the overall attitude in Pinnacle management is decidedly anti-pilot. Phildo has an egocentric obsession with "beating" the union and the pilot group, and that filters down to the rest of the management employees. It's a horrible situation.

Do you really think that's true? Is that the way it is at AirTran?

 

[PCL_128]

Do you really think that's true?

No, I don't think it, I know it. Several of the few trustworthy managers even agree with it, and have relayed some of the truly unconscionable anti-pilot comments heard in management meetings.

Is that the way it is at AirTran?

Nope. Completely different mentality. It certainly isn't as pro-employee around here as it is at Southwest, but the work environment is pure heaven compared to Pinnacle.

 

[405]

No, I don't think it, I know it. Several of the few trustworthy managers even agree with it, and have relayed some of the truly unconscionable anti-pilot comments heard in management meetings.

Nope. Completely different mentality. It certainly isn't as pro-employee around here as it is at Southwest, but the work environment is pure heaven compared to Pinnacle.

Well, if it's any consolation to you pilots, dispatchers hate you.

 

[DoinTime]

Anyone who's had the misfortune of having to deal with Pinnacle management face-to-face on a regular basis comes away with the realization that there is a pervasive hatred of the pilot group within the management ranks, from lower management all the way up to Phildo himself. It's not just that they don't care, or that they are indifferent to the pilots; no, they actually have a deep-seated hatred of the pilots. There are a few exceptions, especially in DTW base management, but the overall attitude in Pinnacle management is decidedly anti-pilot. Phildo has an egocentric obsession with "beating" the union and the pilot group, and that filters down to the rest of the management employees. It's a horrible situation.

I have to add that the hatred encountered from our upper management group is not based on the fact that we operate airplanes. The hatred comes from the fact that we are Union, and not Union like our FA's or Customer service Unions that let themselves be pushed around. We stand up for ourselves and wont take their sh*t without a fight.

We are a Union shop with nearly unlimited resources in our corner. If it takes a Strike to get that through their thick skulls then thats what they will get.

 

[PCL_128]

We are a Union shop with nearly unlimited resources in our corner. If it takes a Strike to get that through their thick skulls then thats what they will get.

A-fu__ing-men!!!! Glad to hear you guys talking like that.

 

[PinnacleDude]

Do you really think that's true? ......

I can second the fact that there is a deep seated hatred of the pilot group.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The problem is that hatred filters down to the average worker and they develop a biased against pilots.... not knowing...and now not caring for the work we do, what we need to do to get there......

Recall...no one gets paid if the jets don't move....

Now, that doesn't mean pilots should be treated as elitist... but when pilots have concerns...should management listen.....??

 

[dondk]

I am not sure hatred is the right word.

from being on both sides, and dealing with Nonconnah and many of the managers.

the best way for me to put it is at Pinnacle a pilot is looked upon as the "help", simple labor no different from the guy/gal throwing the bags. JY once said in an infamous meeting... "pilots are a dime a dozen, there is a person right now willing to take your job"

That is the one of many core issues. They don't see a pilot as a professional, we are simply the labor.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I am not sure hatred is the right word.

from being on both sides, and dealing with Nonconnah and many of the managers.

the best way for me to put it is at Pinnacle a pilot is looked upon as the "help", simple labor no different from the guy/gal throwing the bags. JY once said in an infamous meeting... "pilots are a dime a dozen, there is a person right now willing to take your job"

That is the one of many core issues. They don't see a pilot as a professional, we are simply the labor.

Agreed and so very true.... the reason why management likes bag carts better than pilots is bag carts, make money for the company, but they don't talk back and don't require benefits...

The hatred comes from organizing and belonging to a professional organization... in our case.. ALPA. They hate that they have to deal with pilots, work with pilots, check with pilots, etc.... Liken it to someone approaching a parent and saying "I represent you child.. deal with me not directly with your child". Now, lets not assume that the parent..or in this case the company knows whats best for pilots. But that is the companies perspective and that hatred is dissiminated throughout the employee groups...