PNCL management propaganda

[Lazy8]

I wanted to! One guy was a teamsters (some truck driving job he had), and he mentioned how he hated unions. He said he wasn't going to lean towards the company, nor towards ALPA.

The other guy, the WORST one, said he'd fly even if there was a strike. To feed his kids. I told him with how little we make, it's useless to have that money thing as an excuse. If you want to feed your family, you can do ANYTHING else and make more than a 1st yr Pinnacle F/O. He still said, no, I don't want to get fired by management (since he'd be a probationary pilot), and that he needs to feed his family and let the paycheck continue. I asked him if he seriously understood the consequences of crossing the picket line. "I don't care" was his response.

He doesn't want to get fired by management?... Well tell him to look at it this way. If we do strike and a contract is settled do you think they'll just up and fire all the probationary pilots? No. We're understaffed as it is and they will never get this place back off the ground without the probationary pilots. Heck, we still have CAPTAINS on 1st year probation. Nobody is getting fired.

The simple fact that we're scouring every CRJ bridge program in the country for pilot candidates ought to say something. An airline that boasts "Simply the Best" should not be hiring from the least experienced area of the pilot pool. No, there will be no probie firings. They'll just be hoping you don't go and find a better flying job while you're on strike!

 

[Flyer1015]

Presently, the situation is like a football game where we get to the goal line and ALPA leadership keeps moving the goal post.

Hahahahaa that part is hilarious!

CS = Idiot. What a bad analogy. The goal line and goal post are two completely separate things. Crossing the football over the goal line gets you 6 points. Depending on the situation, getting the ball over a goal post is either 3 pts (FG) or 1 pt. So even if you move the goal post, that says nothing about the goal line... that still remains the same. Bad analogy by CS, but it's ok, I'll wait for the next fear grenade letter.

I'm sorry, but CS is well short of the goal line! Well short! CS and PT are waaaay back on THEIR OWN 10 yard line.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How does ALPA control goal post placement... meaning.. ALPA has more control in the airline environement... it doesn't... With the RLA, the gov't and company have all control levers.... if any one is moving the goal post it is management...

 

[DoinTime]

Pinnacle management wants to believe that something ALPA was willing to settle on a year ago should still be available today. The whole concept of cost escalation over time is lost on them. It would be nice if we all could go to the store and pay last years prices but that isn't the case.

 

[Smarta$$]

CS is a hypocrite! How can he sit there and write a letter like that to a group of pilots, who he knows damn well have been beaten down like a bunch of red headed step children at the salvation army soup line. christ he was one the highest paid pilots in the industry over at fed ex and his son of all people is a pncl pilot. i'd love to hear what their conversations are like

CS: How was your day son?
Son: Well after 6 legs, no breaks and a SCHEDULED reduced rest overnight, i got extended. How was yours?
CS: Well i'm trying to undercut your negoiations and figure out a way that i can pull your ballz over the top of your head...
Son: %^($ You dad

Give em hell guys

Son: Dad, can't the pilots just have a little more money?

CS: NO, NO, NO they may not. 19K is already TOO much.

Son: But my friends can't even afford to move out of their parents basements!

CS: Its not like they have any time off anyway. We provide hotels on overnights, for now. They can live their.

Son: But everything is getting more EXPENSIVE, and we are making less every year because of inflation.

CS: I will give you some of MY BONUS MONEY! The rest of them F#$%ers can starve!


THE TIME FOR A CHEAPER DEAL WAS THREE YEARS AGO. Now I want industry leading.

 

[arthompson]

your never going to get industry leading there. A Fair wage however might be nice.

 

[Markm1811]

A good old dear Clive Letter

When I was a dispatcher at Nonnconnah we also received a dear Clive letter about the ramifications of Strike. Nothing ever galvanised action after that one appeared. In fact the Dir of SOC had to put out a gentler kinder kool aid letter just to pacify the group.

I guess there is a letter writing class at some level in management

Midnight Brit
Relaxing and flying first Class

 

[arthompson]

you know you're dying to say that the SOC director was better with his writing because he's a brit!

 

[PCL_128]

your never going to get industry leading there.

Then strike and let Phil destroy the company. The pilots at Pinnacle deserve industry-leading, and there's no reason for them to accept anything less.

 

[405]

Then strike and let Phil destroy the company. The pilots at Pinnacle deserve industry-leading, and there's no reason for them to accept anything less.

I assume EVERYONE else deserves industry leading pay (whatever that definition is) for whatever they do at Pinnacle? Or is it just the pilots?

 

[PCL_128]

Of course. Everyone except management, that is.

 

[wudalmstfly4fre]

Can you get fired if you strike and you are on probation?

 

[CoATP]

You can get fired if you strike and you're NOT on probabtion. The firing will not stand up in court. The union will provide representation. Unless there's no union or you have a company union in which case you can go to McDonald's and make more money.

 

[TurboAWD]

Sure, they can fire you,

But when the company and the pilots sign a back to work agreement, you can bet it will state that anyone that got fired comes back immediately wth full longevity and that it be removed from their record.

ALPA has done this strike thing before, nothing new here.

Turbo

 

[PCL200Capt]

this is the WORST place i have ever worked for. i have been flying 121 for over 15 years and the place is crazy. the management here are all idiots! tell everyone NOT to ever come to work here.

 

[wudalmstfly4fre]

I was just offered a job there and it sounded the best to me because all the other threads said it is beter if you live near base and don't have to comute.

 

[PinnacleDude]

Industry Leading or BUST!!

Then strike and let Phil destroy the company. The pilots at Pinnacle deserve industry-leading, and there's no reason for them to accept anything less.

Amen! We would be letting everyone else down if we did not achieve it.

 

[SaturnPilot]

I was just offered a job there and it sounded the best to me because all the other threads said it is beter if you live near base and don't have to comute.

I don't know why people actually say that this place is better if you don't have to commute. ANY airline is better if you don't have to commute. Pinnacle, however, is a HORRIBLE place to work, commuting or not. If you live in one of our bases, there is no reason to come here instead of mesaba or compass.

 

[TurboAWD]

Absoultely- there is NO reason to come to Pinnacle with Mesaba and Compass hiring.

Turbo

 

[Flyer1015]

Absoultely- there is NO reason to come to Pinnacle with Mesaba and Compass hiring.

Turbo

DTW is home for me. Compass would put me at MSP (plus don't meet their minimums anyway). Mesaba is a viable option, but people there told me if I get the CRJ200, I'll be stuck in MSP since there is no DTW base for the CRJ200. Saab340 would put me in DTW, and the CRJ900 is supposedly opening up a DTW domicile. But still, the fact I might get stuck in MSP wasn't good. Pinnacle was the only one that could, for sure, guarantee me DTW.