Plane down in FL keys - 2 dead, 2 missing

[cforst513]

heard about it at Epic today. i'll be able to comment more on it later b/c our school is either directly or indirectly involved, but i can't say anything now b/c no facts are known. godspeed to the deceased....

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be careful out there, please!!!

 

[kilroy]

Was in the keys this morning. Apparently 4 ladies stopped in Key West and tried to get rooms. Being that it is bugging season all rooms were booked so they departed EYW after the tower closed. They were flying 172 XP

 

[cforst513]

a 172 XP or SP? i have never heard of a 172XP.

i know that this is a wild shot in the dark, but do you remember the tailnumber on the aircraft or if it had Epic Aviation written on the vertical stabilizer?

 

[wheelsup]

XP's have the 180 hp engines installed, they're older 172's. This is back in the day when the new 172's only came with 150 hp or 160 hp engines (70's I think).

A friend of mine has a 172 on leaseback at epic, and I used to rent out of there. Hopefully it's not connected...

~wheelsup

 

[cforst513]

if it was an older plane, it won't be an epic leaseback plane. oldest single piston there is 1998, and it's a 160hp 172R model. sounds to me like it might not be an epic plane, which is good for the school.

 

[English]

A Hawk XP has the IO-360s - 210 horsepower.

 

[gern_blanston]

The 172XP has a 195 hp Continental IO-360 6-cylinder with a constant speed prop.

 

[cforst513]

has anyone else heard any info about this accident? so far i've only found the one story from the AP, and the FAA website only goes up to july 29th, not the 30th.

 

[wheelsup]

Well, this one has a 180 hp engine...so there must be different varients out there.

 

[kilroy]

SP or Xp may be I didn't get the correct type but it was 4 ladies that crashed in the evening after tower closed

 

[gern_blanston]

Well, this one has a 180 hp engine...so there must be different varients out there.

Might've just learned something. All the ones I ever flew had 195 stock, 210 or 220 modified.
Thus
or
thus.

 

[flyifrvfr]

Well, this one has a 180 hp engine...so there must be different varients out there.

This one is not a Hawk XP because it doesn't have cowl flaps or a constant speed prop.

 

[gern_blanston]

Yeah, I noticed that. I wonder if it's one of those proprietary names that a mod shop used when they put 180-horse Lyc's in straight 172's, like the Penn-Yan conversion.

 

[transpondersoff]

This one is not a Hawk XP because it doesn't have cowl flaps or a constant speed prop.

AST Hawk Level 3 Flight Simulator. This is the only hawk that Epic advertises. I hope this isn't the crashed Hawk in question because I was hoping to use it tomorrow, that is if the parts of the simulator doesn't wash up on the beach.

 

[TDTURBO]

Might've just learned something. All the ones I ever flew had 195 stock, 210 or 220 modified.
Thus
or
thus.

They have 172's with 210HP? They must climb like a bottle rocket and carry anything you can shove in it, heck, that's just 25 HP less than my 182. Sweet!

Sorry to hear of another accident, everytime it takes something out of me.

 

[gern_blanston]

Yeah, there's some mod you can do to get 210 or 220 out of 'em, and they go pretty good. The stocker'll do 125+ knots all day long.

 

[TDTURBO]

Yeah, there's some mod you can do to get 210 or 220 out of 'em, and they go pretty good. The stocker'll do 125+ knots all day long.

I bet the 220 could do 140 easy.

 

[cforst513]

here's an update. sounds like 2 men and 2 unknowns so far.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...ug01,0,7420836.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

 

[Lead Sled]

The 172XP has a 195 hp Continental IO-360 6-cylinder with a constant speed prop.

There is an STC available to up the HP to 210. There have been quite a few of them that have been modified. It's essentially the same engine/airframe combo as the C172 the Air Force used.

'Sled

 

[Flechas]

MFH Leasing....

?????

 

[Flechas]

Is that the plane that went down? Where did you find out Greg?

 

[cforst513]

yeah, they do fly N65982. good lord... there goes Epic's perfect safety record. damn it all...

 

[Dickensheets]

I flew fire patrol several seasons in a '77 Hawk XP. 195hp cont. 210 for 5 min (2700 rpm). Strong climber and smooth with the 6 cyl. engine but only 7-8 kts faster than a normal C172. Good in the mountains and I thought it would be a good candidate for amphibs.


rd

 

[cforst513]

the accident has since appeared on the FAA website for incidents and accidents. still don't know anything yet. i'm supposed to fly at 7, i'll ask around. also, i found out today that N9577Z is going up to SC to get new skin put on due to the hail damage, then they're fitting it with the diesel. the R model won't be available for months. dammit.

 

[cforst513]

i just talked to the girl who dispatched the plane. it wasn't a student, just a renter. and there are 4 dead. she didn't give any more details, but she's had to talk to the NTSB and give statements and stuff. comes at a bad time for Epic b/c that puts now 4 or 5 planes that are sidelined or lost. gonna be a cut-throat time trying to get a plane. guess that's why i go at 6:30am tomorrow.... *shudders*

 

[Gulfstream 200]

i just talked to the girl who dispatched the plane. it wasn't a student, just a renter. and there are 4 dead. she didn't give any more details, but she's had to talk to the NTSB and give statements and stuff. comes at a bad time for Epic b/c that puts now 4 or 5 planes that are sidelined or lost. gonna be a cut-throat time trying to get a plane. guess that's why i go at 6:30am tomorrow.... *shudders*

damm those people for going ahead and crashing and dying...and messing up the flight school schedule.

good thing it was just a renter.

 

[cforst513]

don't put words in my mouth, gulfstream. i was stating it was "just" a renter for the few people on this thread who are or were a part of Epic and so that they know that we didn't lose any colleagues. and all i was saying was that for epic, right now, when it rains, it pours. stop inferring and twisting my words around, please. how dare you make it look like i don't care that those poor people died. believe me, i'd rather fly at 6:30 every morning if it meant 4 families weren't shattered. don't be an ass.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

don't put words in my mouth, gulfstream. i was stating it was "just" a renter for the few people on this thread who are or were a part of Epic and so that they know that we didn't lose any colleagues. and all i was saying was that for epic, right now, when it rains, it pours. stop inferring and twisting my words around, please. how dare you make it look like i don't care that those poor people died. believe me, i'd rather fly at 6:30 every morning if it meant 4 families weren't shattered. don't be an ass.

re-read what you wrote. In public.

I didnt twist your words one bit. I guess I did interpret them wrong though. I apologize.

It came across as you worrying about some south FL dip$hit flight school losing its perfect "safety record" and this crash hindering your ability to schedule aircraft this week.

again, guess I read it wrong.

 

[Flechas]

May they rest in peace,my prayers are with their families.....

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

At the flight school I used to work at, after spending a lot of time with sstudents and developing friendships, a lot of time with became renters. The person that cleans the restroom at McDonald's shouldn't be considered "just the janitor". Everyone is just as important than the next guy. As far as the place being a plane short, that should be the least of one's worries after something like this hitting so close to home. It's not ALL about you Dude!