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yeah, they do fly N65982. good lord... there goes Epic's perfect safety record. damn it all...
 
I flew fire patrol several seasons in a '77 Hawk XP. 195hp cont. 210 for 5 min (2700 rpm). Strong climber and smooth with the 6 cyl. engine but only 7-8 kts faster than a normal C172. Good in the mountains and I thought it would be a good candidate for amphibs.


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the accident has since appeared on the FAA website for incidents and accidents. still don't know anything yet. i'm supposed to fly at 7, i'll ask around. also, i found out today that N9577Z is going up to SC to get new skin put on due to the hail damage, then they're fitting it with the diesel. the R model won't be available for months. dammit.
 
i just talked to the girl who dispatched the plane. it wasn't a student, just a renter. and there are 4 dead. she didn't give any more details, but she's had to talk to the NTSB and give statements and stuff. comes at a bad time for Epic b/c that puts now 4 or 5 planes that are sidelined or lost. gonna be a cut-throat time trying to get a plane. guess that's why i go at 6:30am tomorrow.... *shudders*
 
cforst513 said:
i just talked to the girl who dispatched the plane. it wasn't a student, just a renter. and there are 4 dead. she didn't give any more details, but she's had to talk to the NTSB and give statements and stuff. comes at a bad time for Epic b/c that puts now 4 or 5 planes that are sidelined or lost. gonna be a cut-throat time trying to get a plane. guess that's why i go at 6:30am tomorrow.... *shudders*
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damm those people for going ahead and crashing and dying...and messing up the flight school schedule.

good thing it was just a renter.
 
don't put words in my mouth, gulfstream. i was stating it was "just" a renter for the few people on this thread who are or were a part of Epic and so that they know that we didn't lose any colleagues. and all i was saying was that for epic, right now, when it rains, it pours. stop inferring and twisting my words around, please. how dare you make it look like i don't care that those poor people died. believe me, i'd rather fly at 6:30 every morning if it meant 4 families weren't shattered. don't be an ass.
 
cforst513 said:
don't put words in my mouth, gulfstream. i was stating it was "just" a renter for the few people on this thread who are or were a part of Epic and so that they know that we didn't lose any colleagues. and all i was saying was that for epic, right now, when it rains, it pours. stop inferring and twisting my words around, please. how dare you make it look like i don't care that those poor people died. believe me, i'd rather fly at 6:30 every morning if it meant 4 families weren't shattered. don't be an ass.
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re-read what you wrote. In public.

I didnt twist your words one bit. I guess I did interpret them wrong though. I apologize.

It came across as you worrying about some south FL dip$hit flight school losing its perfect "safety record" and this crash hindering your ability to schedule aircraft this week.

again, guess I read it wrong.
 
At the flight school I used to work at, after spending a lot of time with sstudents and developing friendships, a lot of time with became renters. The person that cleans the restroom at McDonald's shouldn't be considered "just the janitor". Everyone is just as important than the next guy. As far as the place being a plane short, that should be the least of one's worries after something like this hitting so close to home. It's not ALL about you Dude!
 
Dr Pokenhiemer said:
At the flight school I used to work at, after spending a lot of time with sstudents and developing friendships, a lot of time with became renters. The person that cleans the restroom at McDonald's shouldn't be considered "just the janitor". Everyone is just as important than the next guy. As far as the place being a plane short, that should be the least of one's worries after something like this hitting so close to home. It's not ALL about you Dude!
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I don't think he meant it that way, he even explained himself if you bothered to read it above, geeez, give the guy some slack dude. I don't think anyone on this board would put schedualing a plane in front of someones life. If they do, they probably work for a PFT outfit.:D
 
well, they've recovered all 4 bodies, which is good for the families. now we just sit and wait til the facts hopefully present themselves.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...sh02aug02,0,7355304.story?coll=sfla-news-sfla

people reported seeing a flash of light and hearing a bang, and accoridng to reports the airplane broke into pieces (as seen by the recovery teams finding a tire, a wing, and a seat cushion). my question is do you think that the lightning (if there was any) packs enough force to break a cessna 172 into pieces or did the ensuing crash probably cause the break-up of the aircraft?
 
cforst513 said:
well, they've recovered all 4 bodies, which is good for the families. now we just sit and wait til the facts hopefully present themselves.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-dcrash02aug02,0,7355304.story?coll=sfla-news-sfla

people reported seeing a flash of light and hearing a bang, and accoridng to reports the airplane broke into pieces (as seen by the recovery teams finding a tire, a wing, and a seat cushion). my question is do you think that the lightning (if there was any) packs enough force to break a cessna 172 into pieces or did the ensuing crash probably cause the break-up of the aircraft?
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The weather report said clear skies and winds 110/10
 
gkrangers said:
well it did kind of come off that way..but its the internet...tone of voice and attitude don't translate well.
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Agreed.

As far as the lightning is concerned, the most recent METAR from EYW read clear with 10SM visibility.

I had 4 former students and friends call yesterday. Two of them often lurk on flightinfo. They go to Riddle, and word of mouth travels fast. The big buzz on campus was about the Epic 172 that went down. I tried to google the crash and nothing came up, but I was able to find the links posted here. Obviously the family knows about it now, but word travels fast and I would hate for a family member to find out through the grapevine.

I know you didn't mean anything by posting so quickly and I'm sure you were/are curious about what really happened just like the rest of the Epic family. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the deceased.
 
cforst513 said:
well, they've recovered all 4 bodies, which is good for the families. now we just sit and wait til the facts hopefully present themselves.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...sh02aug02,0,7355304.story?coll=sfla-news-sfla

people reported seeing a flash of light and hearing a bang, and accoridng to reports the airplane broke into pieces (as seen by the recovery teams finding a tire, a wing, and a seat cushion). my question is do you think that the lightning (if there was any) packs enough force to break a cessna 172 into pieces or did the ensuing crash probably cause the break-up of the aircraft?
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It's amazing what eye witnesses see and don't see. Look at that old Northwest Airlines crash in Lake Michigan...they speculated on that one for a long time, I think they had eyewitnesses that saw UFO's that day or something.

Then there's that unexplained mid-air of caravan in Alabama a few years back, the NTSB is calling it a mid-air collision, but there was only one plane found crashed. Some hypothesize that a military drone struck it.

Maybe that's what hit this 172? A UFO...
 
IT doesn't matter that KEYW reported clear and 10. There WAS a storm nearby and tower was closed so it was most likely an automated weather observation. Here's a paragraph from the story:

"The U.S. Coast Guard did not conduct a search until Sunday because its officials first thought that someone who reported a plane crash to the Sheriff's Office on Saturday likely saw lightning from a nearby storm, Coast Guard spokesman Dana Warr said."


Remember, turbulance can effect you 20 miles our from a storm and I"ve heard of lightning stirking more than 3 miles from the edge as well. It sounds like it was night time already. If it was a lightning strike, I'd say it didn't rip the plane apart (the impact with the water did) but imagine the effect on your vision at night to have a bolt of lightning strike your airplane. I'd say you'd be effectively blinded for a considerable amount of time.

RIP to the 4....
 
I'm not familiar with where the crash was, but isn't there a teathered balloon or two out there that goes up to like 14,000 ft. I'm not sure wha would happen if a 172 hit one of those cables, but i don't think it would be good.
 
This plane crashed at night and crashed in the ocean. I am not a person who is big on speculating but I am thinking Black Hole Effect.
 

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