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Piper Aztek available for rent- just $170/hour DRY!!!

EagleRJ

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Oh, and one other little detail... there will be a CFI quietly sitting next to you logging PIC! Don't have your multiengine yet? Not to worry- he'll get you your multi for FREE.

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Yet another CFI flying for free. :rolleyes: Just rent him his plane, fly him around Florida, and let him get his multiengine time so he doesn't have to "instruct" anymore.

Pathetic.
 

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21 gph, huh? At 50 hours and $4/gallon that's another $4,200. Woof. I also like the part about how "when you lose an engine the airplane will actually FLY on one engine!" I'm glad to know that the inevitable is included in the $8,500 purchase price.
 

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I'm not sure he is giving "free" flight instruction. I think he owns the plane and makes his money off of 'renting' it out for $170/hr. So basically, his fee is already included in the price.

How's this different then what other time building outfits are doing, like ariben?

I think the only wierd thing about this is how he markets his plane.
 

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for $170/hr DRY, it should include instruction. That ends up being about $250/hr after purchasing fuel
 

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viper548 said:
for $170/hr DRY, it should include instruction. That ends up being about $250/hr after purchasing fuel
That's somewhere in the neighborhood of what our FBO charges per hour on an Aztec rental.
 

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That seems a bit costly, $170 dry. Wonder what the hourly rate is wet?

Am I crazy or doesn't just about each multi instructor give their time at no cost (to another instructor building hours) in a multi? After all they can both log it. Both benefit. Both usually split the cost!

Got to give him credit for being creative.
 

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Ari Ben will sell you 100 hours in a Duchess for half that....that's if you're going to take this route.
 

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ceo_of_the_sofa said:
Ari Ben will sell you 100 hours in a Duchess for half that....that's if you're going to take this route.

Actually, they don't really sell the same..... They sell you 50 hours of "sole manipulator" and 50 of safety pilot. I hear many airlines don't count safety pilot time to your total time, so what you end up with is only 50 hours.
 

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This isn't really safety pilot time. Even if you're already rated, this guy plans to tag along and you're BOTH going to be logging PIC. That's shady.
The FAA and the airlines have probably seen just about every clever idea out there for two or even three pilots all logging multi time simultaneously. I'd hate to be this guy explaining how he was "acting as instructor" the whole time he and a multi-rated stranger bounced around Florida for 100 hours.

I wonder if there's any arrangement between the CFI and the flight school here? Say $30 for every hour the CFI gets to log? Something like that wouldn't surprise me.

Any way you cut it, it sounds like Prostitution to me.
 

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Fly Chick--- With the cost of fuel flucuating so badly, you cover your rear by leasing dry.

www.bdkingpress.com
 

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EagleRJ said:
I'd hate to be this guy explaining how he was "acting as instructor" the whole time he and a multi-rated stranger bounced around Florida for 100 hours.

How would an interviewer know to question this time? This guy logs instructor time using your scenario. 3 years later he interviews at an airline. Wouldn't these logbook entries look just like any other MEI who gave instruction?
 

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KigAir said:
How would an interviewer know to question this time? This guy logs instructor time using your scenario. 3 years later he interviews at an airline. Wouldn't these logbook entries look just like any other MEI who gave instruction?

Well... 50 hours of DUAL for what? What was he training for? If you have 50 hours of dual given in your logbook with the same student (assuming you write the name in your logbook), and someone sees this at an interview, i'm sure he's going to ask questions.

What moron needs 50 hours of dual to get his MER or his MEI?
 

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KigAir said:
How would an interviewer know to question this time? This guy logs instructor time using your scenario. 3 years later he interviews at an airline. Wouldn't these logbook entries look just like any other MEI who gave instruction?
If he was going under the MEI premise they might be a little suspicious why he gave one person (the dates will be very close together, if not consecutively, over 100 hours of dual instruction towards a rating! And if he did this more then once it'd raise even more eyebrows!

Just my thought...

EDIT: I thought I had posted this earlier this morning, but it didn't. Not trying to repeat Matt!
 

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What is the point in using an Aztec for time building? A duchess or seminole is much cheaper to operate.
 

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What moron needs 50 hours of dual to get his MER or his MEI?

if your doing your Multi-engine comemrcial or ppl as ani ntial and not add on , then 50 hours would be about right or even more.

Insurance companies are big abuot requireing an instructor to fly with you if your lowtime or have no time in type in a twin or highperformance aircraft, they will require an intructor to tag along for how many hours they deam fit.

Actually, they don't really sell the same..... They sell you 50 hours of "sole manipulator" and 50 of safety pilot. I hear many airlines don't count safety pilot time to your total time, so what you end up with is only 50 hours

This comment about airlines looking down on safety pilot time is crap, I know at least 10 people who went to Scari-Ben Aviator at KFPR, got their milti-time and got hired at a bunch of different regionals. It is flight time and i dont know of any place that says it wouldn't count.
 
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wmuflyguy said:
if your doing your Multi-engine comemrcial or ppl as ani ntial and not add on , then 50 hours would be about right or even more.

Insurance companies are big abuot requireing an instructor to fly with you if your lowtime or have no time in type in a twin or highperformance aircraft, they will require an intructor to tag along for how many hours they deam fit.



This comment about airlines looking down on safety pilot time is crap, I know at least 10 people who went to Scari-Ben Aviator at KFPR, got their milti-time and got hired at a bunch of different regionals. It is flight time and i dont know of any place that says it wouldn't count.


An instructor flying along just because the insurance company requires it does not = to Dual given under FAA regs.

As for ariben - i didn't say all airlines didn't count safety pilot. As for where i got that info - right here on flightinfo. Do a search on it if you are interested.
 

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As for ariben - i didn't say all airlines didn't count safety pilot. As for where i got that info - right here on flightinfo. Do a search on it if you are interested.

ah since everything here is true
 
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