Pinnacle to fly CRJ900s for Delta

[doh]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! With our current contract that doesn't even have a wage above 50 seats + not able to staff the flying we have...good luck with this.

They called last week to ask if I wanted a job. I said no thank you.

 

[ERJFO]

If it's true congrats... Here is the BARE MINIMUM you should fly 90 seats for: http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/us_airways.html

 

[Smarta$$]

If it's true congrats... Here is the BARE MINIMUM you should fly 90 seats for: http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/us_airways.html

Try 76 seats cheif.

 

[CoATP]

All hands conference call on Friday for 9E from Clive. Does it include Colgan?

 

[redflyer65]

No. It's two seperate companies......unless we are having a party then it's OK.

 

[dondk]

Wait and see. You will be surprised.

I don't second much, especially at Pinnacle... BUT this one I will second... the wait is not that far away.

Contract... that's slightly different. Then again you don't need a contract to fly 76 seat aircraft.. Only a LOA and how many have we signed since section 6 began?

SLC base... I think that is a wet dream, but then again I will believe it when I see a vacancy. Remember by contract they need to post it 30 days before the effective date. The earliest vacancy I have ever seen was 60 days prior to the effective date. A TDY can be done, but Pinnacle is way too cheap to staff a domicile via TDY and they got burned on a displacement so that is not a viable option.

 

[Smarta$$]

I don't second much, especially at Pinnacle... BUT this one I will second... the wait is not that far away.

Contract... that's slightly different. Then again you don't need a contract to fly 76 seat aircraft.. Only a LOA and how many have we signed since section 6 began?

SLC base... I think that is a wet dream, but then again I will believe it when I see a vacancy. Remember by contract they need to post it 30 days before the effective date. The earliest vacancy I have ever seen was 60 days prior to the effective date. A TDY can be done, but Pinnacle is way too cheap to staff a domicile via TDY and they got burned on a displacement so that is not a viable option.

Deliveries would not start until Sept. or Oct. Lots of time for a vacancy. Now filling the vacancy with qualified people? That is ANOTHER story altogether.

I think they know it is IMPOSSIBLE without a contract.

 

[dondk]

07-04 is July, so they really only have maybe 2-3 months. Then you have to add in bidding, training and filling the vacancy. Any move for a "new" domicile would have to be in the near future with training and removal of those crew(s) from the NWA side of the house.

 

[Smarta$$]

07-04 is July, so they really only have maybe 2-3 months. Then you have to add in bidding, training and filling the vacancy. Any move for a "new" domicile would have to be in the near future with training and removal of those crew(s) from the NWA side of the house.

Agreed. Like I said, plenty of time (weeks - months(1-2)) to have a vacancy. Almost impossible to fill it though. Not enough people will come here without a good contract and a scope violation.

 

[Fly4hire]

We were told in the interview that they are going to purchase 19 CRJ900's for delta connection routes

Reality check. Not going to happen.

PCL can only fly CRJ-900's for NWA unless PCL purchases them themselves (or DAL purchases them for PCL for that purpose).

Any acft in which NWA has any financial interest can only be operated on NWA routes/code.

From Chapter 1 of the NWA pilots contract (Scope):

B.7.c.(5) Except as to aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier operating pursuant to the provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d), any jet aircraft and AVRO-85 aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier (i) which are owned or leased by the Company or in which the Company has a financial interest, and (ii) which are operated by Mesaba Airlines, Pinnacle Airlines, or any air carrier in which the Company or an affiliate has an ownership interest, must be operated at all times with the Northwest code designator (NW). If the Northwest code designator is removed from said aircraft, that aircraft shall no longer be operated by the carrier.

 

[ataopsdave]

Reality check. Not going to happen.

PCL can only fly CRJ-900's for NWA unless they purchase them themselves (or DAL purchasesthem for PCL for that purpose). Any acft in which NWA has any finacial interest can only be operated on NWA routes/code.

From Chapter 1 of the NWA pilots contract (Scope):


B.7.c.(5)


Except as to aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier operating pursuant to the provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d), any jet aircraft and AVRO-85 aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier (i) which are owned or leased by the Company or in which the Company has a financial interest, and (ii) which are operated by Mesaba Airlines, Pinnacle Airlines, or any air carrier in which the Company or an affiliate has an ownership interest, must be operated at all times with the Northwest code designator (NW). If the Northwest code designator is removed from said aircraft, that aircraft shall no longer be operated by the carrier.

These aircraft were already purchased by DL and not bound by the NWALPA scope agreement...The aircraft that NW purchased were sent to XJ

 

[Smarta$$]

Reality check. Not going to happen.

PCL can only fly CRJ-900's for NWA unless PCL purchases them themselves (or DAL purchases them for PCL for that purpose).

Any acft in which NWA has any financial interest can only be operated on NWA routes/code.

From Chapter 1 of the NWA pilots contract (Scope):

B.7.c.(5) Except as to aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier operating pursuant to the provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d), any jet aircraft and AVRO-85 aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier (i) which are owned or leased by the Company or in which the Company has a financial interest, and (ii) which are operated by Mesaba Airlines, Pinnacle Airlines, or any air carrier in which the Company or an affiliate has an ownership interest, must be operated at all times with the Northwest code designator (NW). If the Northwest code designator is removed from said aircraft, that aircraft shall no longer be operated by the carrier.

Who ever said anything about using NW aircraft to fly for delta?

 

[Fly4hire]

Who ever said anything about using NW aircraft to fly for delta?

OK. Hadn't heard they were in a deal where someone else was going to provide the planes. If so good for PCL, although I have to wonder about the feasibilty with all the current staffing issues.

 

[dondk]

Agreed. Like I said, plenty of time (weeks - months(1-2)) to have a vacancy. Almost impossible to fill it though. Not enough people will come here without a good contract and a scope violation.

I don't know about plenty of time, but they got a little more wiggle room before they are completely painted into a corner.

Warm bodies is not a problem, they are in bed with enough pilot mills they can get the bodies. Keeping them around is the problem... Getting qualified bodies into the left seat is the issue right now.

Average monthly attrition rate is 20+ CA's a month, they upgrade about the same every month.

The FO attrition right now is slightly higher than the CA attrition. Add that it takes 12+ weeks to create a FO and many bolt before a year.

 

[i fly boxes]

This is what will probably happen if this is true. We have seen management come to the table in a overwhelming force compared to what they have been doing recently. We have the scheduling section of the contract basically done without signatures. Now they are working on hours of service and compensation. Management only wants a contract when they need one, so they must need one. I suspect if they do start flying these things it would be around november, with an announcement around june or july. It gives them time to get this new contract in place, catch up on staffing (which they will never really be able to do) and then get all the infastructure in place. Right now i think it is logistically impossible, but we will see.

 

[dondk]

I would be surprised if we are on compensation, that should be the last section. Hours of service and R&I I understand are the next two up. Scheduling may need another week.

Still got about 5-6 sections to go. A contract by June? not too sure about that.

 

[Tarzan]

You guys at Pinnacle really believe this? Any chance managment is attempting to shove thorugh a contract with dangling the big iron in front of you? We heard the same thing from ASA managment a last year. And, wouldn't you know it, we are working on a contract as well.

 

[sweptback]

ASA even put out a memo saying that we would be taking delivery of the 900s.

Guess what, SkyWest is flying them.

Until the aircraft is on your ramp and painted in your colors it's just a rumor.

 

[dondk]

You guys at Pinnacle really believe this? Any chance managment is attempting to shove thorugh a contract with dangling the big iron in front of you? We heard the same thing from ASA managment a last year. And, wouldn't you know it, we are working on a contract as well.

The only difference is our management needs their bonus's and we can now fly for someone else. Something else our mgmt needs to get some distance from NW. 9E mgmt wants to be the next Mesa if they can do it.

What other carrot they have to dangle to get new hires?

 

[BcPilot99]

These aircraft were already purchased by DL and not bound by the NWALPA scope agreement...The aircraft that NW purchased were sent to XJ

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What he said...