Pinnacle to fly CRJ900s for Delta

[Erlanger]

Any word on this?

 

[CrownandCoke]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! With our current contract that doesn't even have a wage above 50 seats + not able to staff the flying we have...good luck with this.

 

[Erlanger]

Well your guys in the training department are talking about this and are currently putting together a program.

 

[ataopsdave]

where did you hear this from...right now we cant even staff for the NW side

 

[Smarta$$]

Any word on this?

You will find soon that this is almost certainly true. I just don't know how we will staff it the way people are leaving. With a new competetive contract maybe?

 

[dueguard1]

believe it when we see it!! Just saw 42 FO vacancy's for DTW alone.....classes running every two weeks until Forever!!

We're having trouble even staffing those 16 or so aircraft we're just getting back!

 

[CrownandCoke]

You will find soon that this is almost certainly true. I just don't know how we will staff it the way people are leaving. With a new competetive contract maybe?

do you have a source?? I've also heard a contract in two weeks. In other words, 3 years

 

[BcPilot99]

do you have a source?? I've also heard a contract in two weeks. In other words, 3 years

We were told in the interview that they are going to purchase 19 CRJ900's for delta connection routes

 

[Occam's Razor]

We were told in the interview that they are going to purchase 19 CRJ900's for delta connection routes

Huh?

Here's a list of all the aircraft PCL owns:




While NWA is in Chapter 11, any changes to the Services Agreement with PCL will have to go through the court. That will require public paperwork if it involves money, or a loan (the kind airlines use to buy airplanes).

Should PCL drop below the ___% completion factor required in the Agreement, NWA can withhold $$ and/or divert assets to other Airlinks. The latest indications are that PCL is having difficulty hitting the number.

 

[DoinTime]

We were told in the interview that they are going to purchase 19 CRJ900's for delta connection routes

Delta has already purchased (or leased) the airframes. This will be a sub-lease type of service contract to whoever gets the flying.

 

[RCA]

This has to be MGT mind games. about one year ago the CMR training dept. was gearing up for "done deal" CRJ 900 flying for Northwest.

 

[Tarzan]

We were told in the interview that they are going to purchase 19 CRJ900's for delta connection routes

And you actually believe them? They will say anything to get a qualified applicant into the program. How do they do that? Offer the "big" iron. Most likely they wind up at Skywest, CMR or ASA.

 

[machaf]

Pinnacle will be flying CRJ900's for Delta. New base will be SLC.

Expect an announcement soon.

 

[Top Gum]

About 2 months ago I was flying with a very senior captain who told me that PCL will buy Colgan and he even told me the date that they would make the announcement. I was certain that this guy was a nut case. Why would PCL want Colgan? A few weeks later the Colgan deal was completed just as he said.

The same guy said that an agreement with Delta is complete and the announcement will be postponed as long as possible because it will be contingent upon a pilot contract and other operational considerations.

I know it is nothing more than a rumor right now but I think there is probably some truth to be found somewhere in all of this.

 

[redflyer65]

We've also had a couple of check airman review the differences of the CRJ 900 sim. It has been kept under wraps pretty tightly, but it does make sense that the company has done a 180 on negotiations. We went from no meetings scheduled to meeting every day. There has to be a serious reason for their new found motivation.

 

[DrewBlows]

About 2 months ago I was flying with a very senior captain who told me...

Wow! A "senior captain"... no wait... a "very senior captain" told you? You can take it to the bank then I guess.

Wait, do all companies include their "very senior captains" in aircraft purchase plans, or is it just Pinnacle.

 

[another cfii]

With the way people are leaving this sinking ship every month, maybe I'll be one of the "senior" captain very soon, haha...

Even if we start flying 747-400, we're still a regional that doesn't pay crap to our pilots... That's a fact.

If you look back not long ago, just a few years ago, you heard young CFI trying to build ME in any way they could. Now, we'll hear our young buds calling their friends, "hey, just got another 100 hours of ME in a shiny new CRJ, crzing at FL300, doing .74".... it's all about supply and demand. When the SJS wears out, an airplane is just an airplane, i don't care if they start making CRJ1000... oh wait, they already did!!

 

[viper548]

. Now, we'll hear our young buds calling their friends, "hey, just got another 100 hours of ME in a shiny new CRJ, crzing at FL300, doing .74".... it's all about supply and demand. When the SJS wears out, an airplane is just an airplane, i don't care if they start making CRJ1000... oh wait, they already did!!

you mean FL410???

 

[Smarta$$]

you mean FL410???

Lame.

 

[Smarta$$]

Wow! A "senior captain"... no wait... a "very senior captain" told you? You can take it to the bank then I guess.

Wait, do all companies include their "very senior captains" in aircraft purchase plans, or is it just Pinnacle.

Wait and see. You will be surprised.

 

[doh]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! With our current contract that doesn't even have a wage above 50 seats + not able to staff the flying we have...good luck with this.

They called last week to ask if I wanted a job. I said no thank you.

 

[ERJFO]

If it's true congrats... Here is the BARE MINIMUM you should fly 90 seats for: http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/us_airways.html

 

[Smarta$$]

If it's true congrats... Here is the BARE MINIMUM you should fly 90 seats for: http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/us_airways.html

Try 76 seats cheif.

 

[CoATP]

All hands conference call on Friday for 9E from Clive. Does it include Colgan?

 

[redflyer65]

No. It's two seperate companies......unless we are having a party then it's OK.

 

[dondk]

Wait and see. You will be surprised.

I don't second much, especially at Pinnacle... BUT this one I will second... the wait is not that far away.

Contract... that's slightly different. Then again you don't need a contract to fly 76 seat aircraft.. Only a LOA and how many have we signed since section 6 began?

SLC base... I think that is a wet dream, but then again I will believe it when I see a vacancy. Remember by contract they need to post it 30 days before the effective date. The earliest vacancy I have ever seen was 60 days prior to the effective date. A TDY can be done, but Pinnacle is way too cheap to staff a domicile via TDY and they got burned on a displacement so that is not a viable option.

 

[Smarta$$]

I don't second much, especially at Pinnacle... BUT this one I will second... the wait is not that far away.

Contract... that's slightly different. Then again you don't need a contract to fly 76 seat aircraft.. Only a LOA and how many have we signed since section 6 began?

SLC base... I think that is a wet dream, but then again I will believe it when I see a vacancy. Remember by contract they need to post it 30 days before the effective date. The earliest vacancy I have ever seen was 60 days prior to the effective date. A TDY can be done, but Pinnacle is way too cheap to staff a domicile via TDY and they got burned on a displacement so that is not a viable option.

Deliveries would not start until Sept. or Oct. Lots of time for a vacancy. Now filling the vacancy with qualified people? That is ANOTHER story altogether.

I think they know it is IMPOSSIBLE without a contract.

 

[dondk]

07-04 is July, so they really only have maybe 2-3 months. Then you have to add in bidding, training and filling the vacancy. Any move for a "new" domicile would have to be in the near future with training and removal of those crew(s) from the NWA side of the house.

 

[Smarta$$]

07-04 is July, so they really only have maybe 2-3 months. Then you have to add in bidding, training and filling the vacancy. Any move for a "new" domicile would have to be in the near future with training and removal of those crew(s) from the NWA side of the house.

Agreed. Like I said, plenty of time (weeks - months(1-2)) to have a vacancy. Almost impossible to fill it though. Not enough people will come here without a good contract and a scope violation.

 

[Fly4hire]

We were told in the interview that they are going to purchase 19 CRJ900's for delta connection routes

Reality check. Not going to happen.

PCL can only fly CRJ-900's for NWA unless PCL purchases them themselves (or DAL purchases them for PCL for that purpose).

Any acft in which NWA has any financial interest can only be operated on NWA routes/code.

From Chapter 1 of the NWA pilots contract (Scope):

B.7.c.(5) Except as to aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier operating pursuant to the provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d), any jet aircraft and AVRO-85 aircraft operated by a Feeder Carrier (i) which are owned or leased by the Company or in which the Company has a financial interest, and (ii) which are operated by Mesaba Airlines, Pinnacle Airlines, or any air carrier in which the Company or an affiliate has an ownership interest, must be operated at all times with the Northwest code designator (NW). If the Northwest code designator is removed from said aircraft, that aircraft shall no longer be operated by the carrier.