Pinnacle TA Passes....

[CaribPilot]

They'd better not. I don't like the Pinnacle TA outcome but starting a jumpseat war over it is ludicrous.

Agreed

 

[v1valarob]

I'm assuming Pinnacle pilots will have a hard time getting a jump seat or ride in the back from these other pilots who think they sold out?

You clearly don't know how many guys we give rides to per day.

 

[Baronman]

Colgan and PNCL have always benefited and continue to benefit from pilot groups who were looking to "get in and get out" while sacrificing QOL and $. This landslide vote comes as no surprise.

 

[Waylon]

I am sure your management is going to love the fact that it passed by 85%. I heard negotiations are going to start back up in 2 weeks after they have seen what they can get. But it shouldn't effect you because you guys will just vote NO.

 

[v1valarob]

Double post.

 

[Inconceivable]

I am sure your management is going to love the fact that it passed by 85%. I heard negotiations are going to start back up in 2 weeks after they have seen what they can get. But it shouldn't effect you because you guys will just vote NO.

"You heard"

Sure you did. Try to at least be plausible with your trolling. Why don't you practice in the garage with the door closed and your mom's minivan running.

 

[General Lee]

This from the "other" web board:

Skywest is contractually obligated to be the second lowest cost operator for Delta, but Delta waived that obligation until EOY 2015:

The Delta Connection Agreements also provide that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreements (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under those agreements shall not exceed the second lowest of all carriers within the Delta Connection program. During the fourth quarter of 2010, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast reached an agreement with Delta on contractual rates satisfying the 2010 rate reset provision and the second-lowest rate provision and agreed to rates through December 31, 2015. Delta additionally waived its right to require that the contractual rates payable under the Delta Connection Agreements shall not exceed the second-lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection program through December 31, 2015




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

lol the new kinder gentler GL, back to her sorry flaming, get a life 'looser'

 

[LanceAir]

A concept that many of you still don't grasp, is that the regional industry is contracting. PNCL did not start a race to the bottom, PNCL was very weak due to horrible management and also had one of the top contracts that DAL definitely wanted to cut...PNCL is just the first to go under this new reality.

I realize trying to be rational on this forum is a bit too much to ask, however, there might be a few pilots out there that can do the math:

The majors have contracted and merged, now the regionals will follow. There are more regionals out to bid then there is flying for them to do, it's simple supply and demand. This concept should work in our favor very shortly, live to fight another day.

BTW, even with the TA we are above Gojet, Compass and Mesa...we are next to Republic now with total compensation.

 

[General Lee]

lol the new kinder gentler GL, back to her sorry flaming, get a life 'looser'

Did I give an opinion? No. I just posted what someone else did on another web board, as I stated. Re-read it again. Have a good day.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Haha GL back from lunch at Taco Bell, what'd you get your ma putz?

 

[gojo]

You pcl guys are a disgrace

You know, it's comments like this that shows this industry's true colors. Through this whole process we never recieved one offer of help from any other MEC. So in the interest of self preservation many voted this TA in. Your comments to vote this down was not a solution to the problem we face at the regional level. What we need is solidarity between all ALPA carriers. Offers of a certain percentage integration on your seniority list would have gone a long way to show solidarity. But that wouldn't have worked either, would it? Because it would have made your company more top heavy, and delayed up-grades to selfish people like you Clutch. Your only words of encouragement were that we would be able to start over, perhaps even at your company. Well, quite frankly with the state of the industry and most of the 200's going away, that's a bigger crap shoot than what Delta offered us. Face it, we are all do contract work, and Delta is going to manage their costs for said contracts. Your comments show you as self serving, arrogant, and a person that totally lacks compassion and understanding for people going through very tough times. And then you criticize us for making this choice. I truey hope that you and your kind are the minority where you work, and that you never have to experience what we went through. But I will also say that I'm old enough to believe in karma.

 

[General Lee]

Haha GL back from lunch at Taco Bell, what'd you get your ma putz?

Actually it was Wendy's, my favorite. Darn tasty burgers....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[suupah]

85%-15%?!?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLL!!!

Jeeeezzzzz...Talk about spreading your butt cheeks and overwhelmingly welcoming the meat cannon.

Meat Cannon. ha ha ha. nice. I'll stow that one away for later.

 

[suupah]

Colgan and PNCL have always benefited and continue to benefit from pilot groups who were looking to "get in and get out" while sacrificing QOL and $. This landslide vote comes as no surprise.

You do realize of course that Colgan pilots comprise a pretty small group within the greater pncl pilot group right?

 

[Flyer1015]

You do realize of course that Colgan pilots comprise a pretty small group within the greater pncl pilot group right?

Small in size, but they brought the biggest dose of "career expectations" to the table.

 

[siuflightboy]

.....

 

[Flash]

Well I hope mgmt is able to get some nice bonuses now for delivering these cost savings

 

[Oakum_Boy]

They're popping some bottles of bub right now. Paid for by......

 

[xjhawk]

A concept that many of you still don't grasp, is that the regional industry is contracting. PNCL did not start a race to the bottom, PNCL was very weak due to horrible management and also had one of the top contracts that DAL definitely wanted to cut...PNCL is just the first to go under this new reality.

I realize trying to be rational on this forum is a bit too much to ask, however, there might be a few pilots out there that can do the math:

The majors have contracted and merged, now the regionals will follow. There are more regionals out to bid then there is flying for them to do, it's simple supply and demand. This concept should work in our favor very shortly, live to fight another day.

BTW, even with the TA we are above Gojet, Compass and Mesa...we are next to Republic now with total compensation.

if you believe the bar graphs that the union put out-based solely on the fact our costs are higher because our pilot group is super senior-and maybe we have a four hour min day and trip cancelation pay. That being said-if you look at our pay rates, and where they sit. I am sure we are lower than a lot of groups out there. The soft money will not make up for how unlivable our FO wages are. I think even compass 2nd year FO rates are higher than our top FO payrate. That is disgraceful. We had a gun to our heads and the finger on that trigger was both Delta and ALPA national. I am sure that Pinnacle will not be around in 5-7 years as by that time we will need to hire and there will be no one who wants to come here. I saw this contract for what it was-crap. I saw what the union placed in front of me for proof we were too $$$ and saw the slight of hand. I think-that if the reason we were not competitive and cost more than others was because of our super senior pilots, why did the FO's take such a huge unlivable pay cut?

Those that voted this in only voted to preserve a paycheck for two years tops. after that we will most be gone.

 

[outtahere]

While I sympathize with the pilots at pinnacle, this vote is unacceptable. You all have just thrown regional contracts back 15 years. Sometimes you have to stand your ground, but your group proved that you will bend over quickly. You spent 5+ years in negotiations (running on time, all the time!!) and ended up with a contract that didn't even match ours at ASA. Now you've fallen below EVERY regional jet carrier in the business! For what?? Two more years at what will be 2nd year pay at a decent airline?? This is disgraceful and shows the true cowardice of your pilot group.

Just remember, you reap what you sow.

 

[RJLoser]

While I sympathize with the pilots at pinnacle, this vote is unacceptable. You all have just thrown regional contracts back 15 years. Sometimes you have to stand your ground, but your group proved that you will bend over quickly. You spent 5+ years in negotiations (running on time, all the time!!) and ended up with a contract that didn't even match ours at ASA. Now you've fallen below EVERY regional jet carrier in the business! For what?? Two more years at what will be 2nd year pay at a decent airline?? This is disgraceful and shows the true cowardice of your pilot group.

Just remember, you reap what you sow.

I would suggest you look at the PCL pay rates and work rules. Then look at industry standard. Then re-evaluate your statement. PCL contract is not even the bottom. 15 years? Drama queen much?

 

[jynxyjericho]

Actually it was Wendy's, my favorite. Darn tasty burgers....


Bye Bye---General Lee

You can't be serious, that stuff will kill you quick.

 

[gojo]

I would suggest you look at the PCL pay rates and work rules. Then look at industry standard. Then re-evaluate your statement. PCL contract is not even the bottom. 15 years? Drama queen much?

He's ASA remember. They're the regional Gods

 

[Freebrd]

You can't be serious, that stuff will kill you quick.

In Jenny's case not quick enough.

 

[XJohXJ]

Every single regional airline and regional pilot group (and ALPA) shares at least some responsibility for what happened at PNCL yesterday. Why? Here's why:

1) No unity whatsoever between pilot groups.
2) Completely unlivable and unacceptable first year pay at every single regional airline in existence.

Every pilot who has ever voted in favor of a regional CBA anywhere, including pre-BK Pinnacle and Mesaba, has given their personal OK that the vast majority of currently working pilots could not even remotely afford to start over at another regional. You just can't make at at pay in the $20/hr range. No way, no how.

If you are a regional pilot and want to place blame, just visit your mirror. This industry sucks, and all regional pilots who accept it as it is are responsible. No one reached out to help Pinnacle. This is what you get.

 

[mesaba13]

good post.

 

[Clutch]

You will be starting over at 20/hr; only NOW you'll be making less until that point. Nice job.

 

[trip]

Wow! 85% must be a surprising number even for those yes voters, way to bend over in unity.

 

[gojo]

You will be starting over at 20/hr; only NOW you'll be making less until that point. Nice job.

Clutch, is this really all you see?