Pinnacle TA Passes....

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Pinnacle is now worse than Mesa. Mesa, you don't suck as much anymore.

 

[CaribPilot]

lol..

 

[Clutch]

You pcl guys are a disgrace

 

[Snaab]

American... couple billion in the bank.
Pinnacle... worth nothing. (thanks again Phil)

Congrads to the American pilots, and sorry to the rest of the internet crowd who are losing their minds this morning. This TA was a much better offering than the second 1113 ask, Pinnacle pilots educated themselves and reached a logical conclusion.

No one wants to vote for concessions, but bankruptcy is a part of life in the airlines, and pilots have to make choices based on the reality of their situation. We all get to pay our bills a little longer, keep our health insurance, and our compensation isn't below GoJets (due to soft pay, obviously the pay rates aren't spectacular) and time is on our side we hope.

Other regional airlines will have to deal with negotiating against our contract, some airlines can increase their compensation easily off our new concessionary contract, others will have to fight to maintain what they have.

I certainly wish we could have done better for you, but Pinnacle negotiated their JCBA bringing up the values of both the Colgan and Pinnacle pilots while making a few gains on the Mesaba one. Certainly, since the people complaining on here are all so much smarter and better than us, they should have no problem recreating our success on the JCBA. I just hope your CEO doesn't piss every dollar away and run the company into the ground while pulling the ripcord on his golden parachute.

+1. Well said, co-worker.

 

[RJLoser]

You pcl guys are a disgrace

good luck in your negotiations.

 

[Clutch]

good luck in your negotiations.

Good luck finding another job and making less money while doing it

 

[RJLoser]

Good luck finding another job and making less money while doing it

I moved up and on from pinnacle my friend. lot of good guys there. you are bringing a child's mentality to a grown up decision some had to make. again, good luck.

 

[Ops check good]

85%-15%?!?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLL!!!

Jeeeezzzzz...Talk about spreading your butt cheeks and overwhelmingly welcoming the meat cannon.

By meat cannon you mean CRJ 900. Shinny new jets slide in easily.

 

[Flying Ninja]

I'm assuming Pinnacle pilots will have a hard time getting a jump seat or ride in the back from these other pilots who think they sold out?

 

[centralpilot]

I'm assuming Pinnacle pilots will have a hard time getting a jump seat or ride in the back from these other pilots who think they sold out?

They'd better not. I don't like the Pinnacle TA outcome but starting a jumpseat war over it is ludicrous.

 

[CaribPilot]

They'd better not. I don't like the Pinnacle TA outcome but starting a jumpseat war over it is ludicrous.

Agreed

 

[v1valarob]

I'm assuming Pinnacle pilots will have a hard time getting a jump seat or ride in the back from these other pilots who think they sold out?

You clearly don't know how many guys we give rides to per day.

 

[Baronman]

Colgan and PNCL have always benefited and continue to benefit from pilot groups who were looking to "get in and get out" while sacrificing QOL and $. This landslide vote comes as no surprise.

 

[Waylon]

I am sure your management is going to love the fact that it passed by 85%. I heard negotiations are going to start back up in 2 weeks after they have seen what they can get. But it shouldn't effect you because you guys will just vote NO.

 

[v1valarob]

Double post.

 

[Inconceivable]

I am sure your management is going to love the fact that it passed by 85%. I heard negotiations are going to start back up in 2 weeks after they have seen what they can get. But it shouldn't effect you because you guys will just vote NO.

"You heard"

Sure you did. Try to at least be plausible with your trolling. Why don't you practice in the garage with the door closed and your mom's minivan running.

 

[General Lee]

This from the "other" web board:

Skywest is contractually obligated to be the second lowest cost operator for Delta, but Delta waived that obligation until EOY 2015:

The Delta Connection Agreements also provide that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreements (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under those agreements shall not exceed the second lowest of all carriers within the Delta Connection program. During the fourth quarter of 2010, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast reached an agreement with Delta on contractual rates satisfying the 2010 rate reset provision and the second-lowest rate provision and agreed to rates through December 31, 2015. Delta additionally waived its right to require that the contractual rates payable under the Delta Connection Agreements shall not exceed the second-lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection program through December 31, 2015




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

lol the new kinder gentler GL, back to her sorry flaming, get a life 'looser'

 

[LanceAir]

A concept that many of you still don't grasp, is that the regional industry is contracting. PNCL did not start a race to the bottom, PNCL was very weak due to horrible management and also had one of the top contracts that DAL definitely wanted to cut...PNCL is just the first to go under this new reality.

I realize trying to be rational on this forum is a bit too much to ask, however, there might be a few pilots out there that can do the math:

The majors have contracted and merged, now the regionals will follow. There are more regionals out to bid then there is flying for them to do, it's simple supply and demand. This concept should work in our favor very shortly, live to fight another day.

BTW, even with the TA we are above Gojet, Compass and Mesa...we are next to Republic now with total compensation.

 

[General Lee]

lol the new kinder gentler GL, back to her sorry flaming, get a life 'looser'

Did I give an opinion? No. I just posted what someone else did on another web board, as I stated. Re-read it again. Have a good day.


Bye Bye---General Lee