Pinnacle Pilots.. Is it true?

[falconpilot]

Is it true you are hiring street Captains?

 

[SEVEN]

Is it true you are hiring street Captains?

Nope. Just talked to my buddy today.

 

[F16fixer]

Hiring street captains and fly-by-night mortgage companies should both be illegal. They allow people to put themselves in bad situations and bitch about it to everyone they work with for the next three years. Since they made a stupid decision, now we all here how the company sucks, the rules suck, and everything in life sucks!

 

[Smarta$$]

It does look like two new hire pilots were awarded captain on the last revised vacancy. So yes, it looks to be true. And there will be alot more.

 

[CoATP]

They were hired as FO's but met the upgrade requirements and were awarded the bid while in training.

 

[machaf]

Just wait for the next Vacancy to come out...

 

[falconpilot]

Hiring street captains and fly-by-night mortgage companies should both be illegal. They allow people to put themselves in bad situations and bitch about it to everyone they work with for the next three years. Since they made a stupid decision, now we all here how the company sucks, the rules suck, and everything in life sucks!

Whats wrong with hiring street captains??? Especially if you are short on qualified pilots. The regionals put this on themselves, they constantly lower their minimums and then they cant upgrade their FO's. If you were sitting in the back would you rather have a 1500 hour captain or a 5000 hour captain. C'mon man there is nothing wrong with hiring street captains.

 

[PCL_128]

Whats wrong with hiring street captains??? Especially if you are short on qualified pilots. The regionals put this on themselves, they constantly lower their minimums and then they cant upgrade their FO's. If you were sitting in the back would you rather have a 1500 hour captain or a 5000 hour captain. C'mon man there is nothing wrong with hiring street captains.

Street Captains are fine as long as they are properly qualified. We've hired some highly experienced street Captains in the past (frequent poster Lear70 was one of them), but we've also hired guys that have no business being in the left seat of a CRJ. For instance, in the last round of street Captains, we hired one guy whose only turbine time was in Metroliners. Sorry, but if you have zero jet time, then you don't belong in the left seat of a CRJ.

 

[bertengineer]

Whats wrong with hiring street captains??? Especially if you are short on qualified pilots. The regionals put this on themselves, they constantly lower their minimums and then they cant upgrade their FO's. If you were sitting in the back would you rather have a 1500 hour captain or a 5000 hour captain. C'mon man there is nothing wrong with hiring street captains.

I am all for a street captain if he/she has at lease 5000 hours and 500 of which were in the CRJ

 

[falconpilot]

Street Captains are fine as long as they are properly qualified. We've hired some highly experienced street Captains in the past (frequent poster Lear70 was one of them), but we've also hired guys that have no business being in the left seat of a CRJ. For instance, in the last round of street Captains, we hired one guy whose only turbine time was in Metroliners. Sorry, but if you have zero jet time, then you don't belong in the left seat of a CRJ.

I agree with you 100%. If the candidate doesn't have some pic jet time, and when I say some I mean like at least 500 to 1000 hours pic. I don't necessarily think the candidate has to have CRJ time.. I don't think a CRJ is any harder or more complex as a GIV or Falcon 900. But you are correct, the candidate should have pic jet time..

 

[PCL_128]

I don't necessarily think the candidate has to have CRJ time..

Agreed. Captains at the majors frequently upgrade to bigger equipment that they have never flown before. What's important is the jet experience, not the time in type.

 

[DrewBlows]

Will someone refresh my memory? What are the upgrade requirements at Pinnacle? How is it possible that half the pilot group isn't qualified for upgrade but a new-hire is?

 

[Whydoitry]

What's important is 121 PIC. I train plenty of new captains who have been in the right seat for only 2yrs and an astonishing number of them wash out. If Pinnacle is hiring off the street then I hope the training department is responsible enough to fail those that aren't really ready. As long as there is good oversight we should all be safe.

 

[walshsfly]

What's important is 121 PIC. I train plenty of new captains who have been in the right seat for only 2yrs and an astonishing number of them wash out. If Pinnacle is hiring off the street then I hope the training department is responsible enough to fail those that aren't really ready. As long as there is good oversight we should all be safe.

Oh come on I used to work there, the training dept. there is at best below par. All that company is looking for is bodys for fill seats for low wages. Are they paying anything for your time in training yet? Or are they still getting suckers that don't mind no pay. (I can say this when I was there I got nothing, not even a hotel, when I left I heard they were giving a hotel and 200 before taxes.) Has this gotten any better yet?

 

[HOURBUILDER]

id rather have a guy in the left seat with 2500 tt and 1500 hours CRJ

than a guy with 4000 hours and 1000 hours turboprob PIC.

Time in type is the most important.

 

[Flywrite]

So what happened when the CRJs first showed up? How many of the first CRJ Captains only had Saab time?

 

[NEDude]

Hmmm, how about 4800 TT, 2000 turboprop 121 PIC, and 1000 hours CRJ SIC ?


Oh never mind...

 

[bertengineer]

Will someone refresh my memory? What are the upgrade requirements at Pinnacle? How is it possible that half the pilot group isn't qualified for upgrade but a new-hire is?

3500TT 2000ME 3500 reducible to 3000 if you have 500 in company!

 

[Rook]

So what happened when the CRJs first showed up? How many of the first CRJ Captains only had Saab time?

Tons. They even had Jestream time too.:beer:

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

bert- you must be getting close to upgrade? I know you'll do well.


Hey Rook- you in the DC-10 or MD-11 these days?

 

[PCL_128]

bert- you must be getting close to upgrade? I know you'll do well.


Hey Rook- you in the DC-10 or MD-11 these days?

How's that Maddog treating ya? Planning on moving down to the ATL?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I'm in NYC on the doggy. IOE starts next week.

I'll move down to ATL once I become a career reserve pilot on the 76/75 this summer, haha.

 

[Rook]

Breaks my heart P-nuck...

-11. Right now I'm in the L.B.C. chllin' with Snoop and Nate Dogg (of course by Snoop I mean my sim partner, and Nate Dogg is our FTD instructor). Miss the DT-dub hub but right now I wouldn't trade this for anything...unless of course I was ending up retiring from DAL as numero uno...:beer: you guys take care.

 

[DX Rick]

I don't necessarily think the candidate has to have CRJ time.. I don't think a CRJ is any harder or more complex as a GIV or Falcon 900. But you are correct, the candidate should have pic jet time..

You show me a guy willing to leave a GIV or Falcon900 job for a job at Pinnical, and I will personally come kick is arse.

 

[SELCAL checks]

You show me a guy willing to leave a GIV or Falcon900 job for a job at Pinnical, and I will personally come kick is arse.

How about a Challenger 604?

I want you to do me a favor.... I want you to hit me as hard as you can.

 

[Rook]

I want you to do me a favor.... I want you to hit me as hard as you can.

Shhhhh! Remember the 'first' rule...:angryfire

 

[Ridgeback]

Street Captains are fine as long as they are properly qualified. We've hired some highly experienced street Captains in the past (frequent poster Lear70 was one of them), but we've also hired guys that have no business being in the left seat of a CRJ. For instance, in the last round of street Captains, we hired one guy whose only turbine time was in Metroliners. Sorry, but if you have zero jet time, then you don't belong in the left seat of a CRJ.

WOW! Would you please publish your wisdom on 9E hiring 200 hr fo's....I'd like to hear if you...opps they have any buisness being in the right seat

 

[Rook]

The whole GIA thing has been beat to death Ridge. When I was a 9E guy, I had 200hr kids from ATP's and guys with single pilot Baron time in the 1500hr range. If they pass the check ride then they still have to get through IOE. There were 200hr guys that were ready for line ops right away and some more 'experienced' guys that I couldn't sign off. And I'm a pretty laid-back bro. My (and I assume other check airman) decision on whether or not IOE would be completed would be if I could trust this kid when their CA is... being a tool/incapacitated/locked out of the cockpit/whatever, then I'd sign them off. We can't always have ideal conditions for training, like bad weather, diversions, and the like; but we would quiz them and give them scenarios to make them think logically for different situations.

They come from the sim being great at V-1 cuts, S.E. go arounds/approaches but we all know that the line environment is a different animal.

It's an entirely different type of flying!
Altogether!:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

WOW! Would you please publish your wisdom on 9E hiring 200 hr fo's....I'd like to hear if you...opps they have any buisness being in the right seat

I have no problem with 9E hiring low-time FOs. There's a big difference between SIC and PIC.

By the way, I had about 1000 hours when I came to 9E, if memory serves. I flight instructed and flew at GIA before coming here.

 

[bertengineer]

I'm in NYC on the doggy. IOE starts next week.

I'll move down to ATL once I become a career reserve pilot on the 76/75 this summer, haha.

If I didn't say it before..Congrats to you for the move! I thought you were going to hold out for something purple (haha)! Hey, I start class on the 23rd of April for a DTW slot, but I will keep the MEM bid in until it opens. If you talk to Joe...send a Hello. I tried to call him but no answer. He must have been screning calls.