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joepilot29 said:
Must have me confused with someone else but I do work at OH and we welcome your flying even in our demise.
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I'm impressed, that was a very mature response. I'm a mesaba Guy and commute on pinnacle. They definitely show up late on those first flights of the day (pissing off the gate agents in the process) but they always seem to be out on time, and they always get me to my hub early. I've never encountered a bad pinnacle captain, and only 1 pathetic FO (hey im being honest here). The only suggestion I have for the pncl pilot group before we become one big happy family is to be nicer to the gate agents. Bring them chocolates or something, its weird to have to cover a turn to a station you've been going to for over a year and have thems meet us with open arms, groveling and the like because they want us back!
 
Andrew_VT said:
I'm impressed, that was a very mature response. I'm a mesaba Guy and commute on pinnacle. They definitely show up late on those first flights of the day (pissing off the gate agents in the process) but they always seem to be out on time, and they always get me to my hub early. I've never encountered a bad pinnacle captain, and only 1 pathetic FO (hey im being honest here). The only suggestion I have for the pncl pilot group before we become one big happy family is to be nicer to the gate agents. Bring them chocolates or something, its weird to have to cover a turn to a station you've been going to for over a year and have thems meet us with open arms, groveling and the like because they want us back!
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I don't know about you but if gate agents aren't satisfied with professional pilots acting with a socially acceptable level of curtesy, then they can go pound sand. I'll be damned if I am going to bribe any of those people with chocolates to get them to do the job they signed up for.
 
I agree. Worst gate agents in the delta system happen to be in detroit along with the worst rampers and atc controllers in the country. They are beyond bribes up there. Just plain lazy. I want our JFK base back. They actually miss us up there.
 
I will say one thing although I have committed suicide already on this thread. I have heard the pinnacle crews are fighting going to JFK. You should go up there. It will thicken your skin and you will learn how to really fly. Think thats why they hate OH in DTW although they are starting to figure out we know what we are doing. If you can handle JFK even LGA every other airport in the country is a cakewalk. They do not hold your hand up there. DTW is boring compared to JFK.

After being based up there for 4 years I learned how to fly a CRJ on the edge of its envelope within its limitations. You actually get rewarded for hustling up there. They know how to move metal with limited runways in crap weather. I am tired already of 20 mile finals on a visual day in DTW and being slowed to 210 kts 30 miles out.

DTW is a mess. Why do I have to talk to 4 different ground frequencies to get to the runway. Funny how one emergency can shut down DTW ground while JFK doesn't miss a beat. They run JFK with ONE ground frequency sometimes 2 if things are busy. They move more planes at JFK then they do at DTW with less runways. 2300 hrs of JFK time is better then 2300 hrs of DTW time any day. Just a little advice and I am not chuck yeager by any means. Just learned alot being based at JFK for 4 years. Best time of my of my flying career so far. Low point is being based in DTW.

Think Clint Eastwood said it best in Heart Break Ridge "You have to Adapt, Improvise and Overcome". That's JFK in a nutshell on a daily basis. Wish we were still there. Go up there if you have the chance!!!
 
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joepilot29 said:
I will say one thing although I have committed suicide already on this thread. I have heard the pinnacle crews are fighting going to JFK. You should go up there. It will thicken your skin and you will learn how to really fly. Think thats why they hate OH in DTW although they are starting to figure out we know what we are doing. If you can handle JFK even LGA every other airport in the country is a cakewalk. They do not hold your hand up there. DTW is boring compared to JFK.

After being based up there for 4 years I learned how to fly a CRJ on the edge of its envelope within its limitations. You actually get rewarded for hustling up there. They know how to move metal with limited runways in crap weather. I am tired already of 20 mile finals on a visual day in DTW and being slowed to 210 kts 30 miles out.

DTW is a mess. Why do I have to talk to 4 different ground frequencies to get to the runway. Funny how one emergency can shut down DTW ground while JFK doesn't miss a beat. They run JFK with ONE ground frequency sometimes 2 if things are busy. They move more planes at JFK then they do at DTW with less runways. 2300 hrs of JFK time is better then 2300 hrs of DTW time any day. Just a little advice and I am not chuck yeager by any means. Just learned alot being based at JFK for 4 years. Best time of my of my flying career so far. Low point is being based in DTW.

Think Clint Eastwood said it best in Heart Break Ridge "You have to Adapt, Improvise and Overcome". That's JFK in a nutshell on a daily basis. Wish we were still there. Go up there if you have the chance!!!
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I believe if any PNCL person is resisting JFK it is from a cost perspective, not an operational one.

Also PNCL (9E, XJ, and 9L) have operated out of JFK for awhile with no problems. Their operations are screwed up just as bad as DTW. Even so, XJ (now PNCL) has been posting good D0 A0 A14 numbers outta there. Guess that means we haved "learned how to really fly" too huh?!?
 
With the changes happening at the regionals (Comair's fleet reduction and the unknown of American Eagles future) what regional will be worth going to in the next 5 to 10 years?!
 
Med school - that's a GREAT idea.

Always a demand for doctors, true...but you can go further into debt than a Riddle undergrad with working hours as a resident that would make the most beat-down regional airline pilot shake his head in disgust.

Then you can buy a Cirrus, do something stupid in it, pull the chute, and claim the most technoligically advanced GA airplane ever saved your life.
 
joepilot29 said:
I agree. Worst gate agents in the delta system happen to be in detroit along with the worst rampers and atc controllers in the country. They are beyond bribes up there. Just plain lazy. I want our JFK base back. They actually miss us up there.
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Are you freaking kidding me? Ill give you this...the gate agents are trolls and you wait for a long time for a gate...but the controllers in DTW are top notch? Where did that come from??
PS..if you Comair guys know how to fly the RJ so much better than all of us why cant you learn to pull up to the freaking zipper road in Detroit and let other people pass...DONE!
 
snap145 said:
Are you freaking kidding me? Ill give you this...the gate agents are trolls and you wait for a long time for a gate...but the controllers in DTW are top notch? Where did that come from??
PS..if you Comair guys know how to fly the RJ so much better than all of us why cant you learn to pull up to the freaking zipper road in Detroit and let other people pass...DONE!
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I completely agree the DTW ATC is top notch in my experience. My vote for worst controllers would be SLC.
 
WIPilot said:
If you dont want to be a pilot still, do something about it.
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I love my job. But I just don't think entering this industry is worth it anymore. I'd recommend to others to pursue something else they have interest in (including medicine) and just renting/buying a plane and flying for fun.
 
BoilerUP said:
Med school - that's a GREAT idea.

Always a demand for doctors, true...but you can go further into debt than a Riddle undergrad with working hours as a resident that would make the most beat-down regional airline pilot shake his head in disgust.

Then you can buy a Cirrus, do something stupid in it, pull the chute, and claim the most technoligically advanced GA airplane ever saved your life.
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There's no comparison. I know some Ridde Grads who also did the Gulfstream program and are in debt by $180k and more. A 4 year med school loan of about the same will be paid off MUCH quicker. True, residency pay is low, but that's 3 to 4 years tops. Once you're done, you automatically start out at $150,000+ a year as a physician. Compare that to these Riddle and Gulfstream idiots, once you're done with the same debt as med school, you start at a regional for $20,000.
 
joepilot29 said:
After being based up there for 4 years I learned how to fly a CRJ on the edge of its envelope within its limitations.
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What exactly do you consider the edge of the envelope while flying the CRJ....flying at 215 at Flaps 15? 180 to the FAF? JFK is just another busy (sometimes) airport. I a pilot already flies into ATL, BOS, PHL, DCA, LGA, ORD, etc then JFK won't break them.
 
Carl_Spackler said:
What exactly do you consider the edge of the envelope while flying the CRJ....flying at 215 at Flaps 15? 180 to the FAF? JFK is just another busy (sometimes) airport. I a pilot already flies into ATL, BOS, PHL, DCA, LGA, ORD, etc then JFK won't break them.
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Srsly. Other than the taxi delays, JFK is easy as pie.
 
joepilot29 said:
They move more planes at JFK then they do at DTW with less runways.
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Not according to the FAA. JFK can handle less traffic than any DAL hub:

Capacity at JFK: 75-87 flights per hour in VFR and Marginal weather, and 64-67 flights per hour in IFR weather.

Capacity at DTW: 184-189 flights per hour in VFR weather, 168-173 flights per hour in Marginal weather, and 136-145 flights per hour in IFR weather.

Capacity at ATL: 180-188 flights per hour in VFR weather, 172-174 flights per hour in Marginal weather, and 158-162 flights per hour in IFR weather.

Capacity at MEM: 148-181 flights per hour in VFR weather, 140-167 flights per hour in Marginal weather, and 120-132 flights per hour in IFR weather.

Capacity at MSP: 114-120 flights per hour in VFR weather, 112-115 flights per hour in Marginal weather, and 112-114 flights per hour in IFR weather.

Capacity at SLC: 130-131 flights per hour in VFR weather, 110-120 flights per hour in Marginal weather, and 110-113 flights per hour in IFR weather.

Capacity at CVG: 120-125 flights per hour in VFR weather, 120-124 flights per hour in Marginal weather, and 102-120 flights per hour in IFR weather.
 
I have an interview coming up with Republic. Y'all don't sound too encouraging. What is wrong with Republic? And does anyone out there have any interview gouge?
 
Okay just grab a dart board and throw!!!!!!.........9E, EV, OO doesn't matter! I'm a ex gulfstream guy.....no debt......5 years at EV and I own a house and I'm happy......nuff said...Todays best airline can turn into crap overnight! Look at Gulfstream! Crappy airline..... but if I stayed on I would be a junior captain after 6 years! Now i'm a semi senior FO on the RJ at EV. You cant predict your future airline career based on current conditions.
 
Falcon4.0 said:
I have an interview coming up with Republic. Y'all don't sound too encouraging. What is wrong with Republic? And does anyone out there have any interview gouge?
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Dude, do what you feel is best for you! If your young and mobile just dive in and live the dream. Dont let people on flightinfo get you down. This job after awhile gets very political . Unions vs Management and all that B.S. My best advise is take any jet job you can get but please have a exit plan!
 
jetracer5 said:
Dude, do what you feel is best for you! If your young and mobile just dive in and live the dream. Dont let people on flightinfo get you down. This job after awhile gets very political . Unions vs Management and all that B.S. My best advise is take any jet job you can get but please have a exit plan!
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Yea limit yourself to a jet job! Great advice! They are the shiniest and only planes that will get you to a major!
 
Thanks, jetracer, unfortunately, I am not young nor mobile, but just trying to get back into flying...willing to trade some low pay for some time to get current and then start hounding the LCC's and others..By the way, what is "EV"?
 
Falcon4.0 said:
Thanks, jetracer, unfortunately, I am not young nor mobile, but just trying to get back into flying...willing to trade some low pay for some time to get current and then start hounding the LCC's and others..By the way, what is "EV"?
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They are the best of the best of the best. That's probably why they never say hi to other crews in the airport. Come on guys lighten up!!
 

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