Pinnacle or Republic

[Tram]

It doesnt matter which regional you go to. Go wherever you will be home more and make the most money. There is no "quick upgrade" airline anymore.

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[Hobiehawker]

Thanks for all the replies!

This is actually for a friend who now has this choice. He was certainly leaning towards Pinnicle but your remarks I have shared and I think he is locked in.

Thanks again guys.

 

[The Drizzle]

Thanks for all the replies!

This is actually for a friend who now has this choice. He was certainly leaning towards Pinnicle but your remarks I have shared and I think he is locked in.

Thanks again guys.

I wish I could recommend RAH to your friend, but BB and his cronies refuse to see the light. They won't negotiate a decent contract, so they won't get anybody to come to class and attrition will drive them out of business.

 

[BoilerUP]

Just how much attrition is RAH seeing every month? Where are people quitting for?

There seems to be a veritable chorus of "attrition here is crazy" from RAH pilots on every forum...

 

[The Drizzle]

Just how much attrition is RAH seeing every month? Where are people quitting for?

There seems to be a veritable chorus of "attrition here is crazy" from RAH pilots on every forum...

We've seen a spike lately to about 8% in the last few months. While not a large number up front, they haven't been able to fill classes to make up for it. 15 showed up for the last class of 26. As for where people are going, SWA is emptying their pool and taking all of their RAH poolies, JBLU picked up a bunch of FOs and CAs alike, some are leaving the flying biz altogether, some are going into corporate or 91. We lost a good number to DL a few months back as well. It will only accelerate as time moves irrevocably forward.

I wonder which will suffer first. RAH's child(the branded flying), or the milk giving cow(the FFD side)?

 

[joepilot29]

Even with the increase in health insurance its still better than yours....

Not really and I still make more and pay less. I pretty much work at pinnacle since we pick up their flying every month cause they can't staff their flying. Seeing more and more of that lately.

BTW I would appreciate it if Pinnacle crews would show up to their flights more than 10 minutes before departure while drinking their fresh starbucks latte that they just purchased. Doesn't look very good at a gate full of passengers. Seeing more and more of that lately when I commute. I am talking about first flights of the day not a tight connection.

 

[RJLoser]

Not really and I still make more and pay less. I pretty much work at pinnacle since we pick up their flying every month cause they can't staff their flying. Seeing more and more of that lately.

BTW I would appreciate it if Pinnacle crews would show up to their flights more than 10 minutes before departure while drinking their fresh starbucks latte that they just purchased. Doesn't look very good at a gate full of passengers. Seeing more and more of that lately when I commute. I am talking about first flights of the day not a tight connection.

Pimpin aint' easy.

 

[silver02ex]

BTW I would appreciate it if Pinnacle crews would show up to their flights more than 10 minutes before departure while drinking their fresh starbucks latte that they just purchased. .

I'm sure some of your crews do it too. Stop pointing fingers, and write an email to Pinnacle if you don't like this. Saying stuff like this on here is not going to do anything.

 

[Simon Says]

Didn't Pinnacle's health insurance triple with the new contract? Kinda negates the pay raise doesn't it.

Yes it did almost triple, but in a few weeks ask a current 9E guy if it negates the pay raise, 4 hour min day, and block or better by LEG...not pairing.

BTW, my section 3 actual pay did not go up 1 cent, but my end of year W-2 is going to go up about 10 percent. I love work rules.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

BTW I would appreciate it if Pinnacle crews would show up to their flights more than 10 minutes before departure while drinking their fresh starbucks latte that they just purchased. Doesn't look very good at a gate full of passengers. Seeing more and more of that lately when I commute. I am talking about first flights of the day not a tight connection.

Fresh Lattes are a mandatory item for the first flight of the day, come on you know that....

Next time I see a Comair guy commuting to Norfolk (thats where you commute to isn't it?) I will be sure to give you the hang ten sign as I stroll up to the gate 30 minutes early......

 

[joepilot29]

Must have me confused with someone else but I do work at OH and we welcome your flying even in our demise.

 

[Andrew_VT]

Must have me confused with someone else but I do work at OH and we welcome your flying even in our demise.

I'm impressed, that was a very mature response. I'm a mesaba Guy and commute on pinnacle. They definitely show up late on those first flights of the day (pissing off the gate agents in the process) but they always seem to be out on time, and they always get me to my hub early. I've never encountered a bad pinnacle captain, and only 1 pathetic FO (hey im being honest here). The only suggestion I have for the pncl pilot group before we become one big happy family is to be nicer to the gate agents. Bring them chocolates or something, its weird to have to cover a turn to a station you've been going to for over a year and have thems meet us with open arms, groveling and the like because they want us back!

 

[DoinTime]

I'm impressed, that was a very mature response. I'm a mesaba Guy and commute on pinnacle. They definitely show up late on those first flights of the day (pissing off the gate agents in the process) but they always seem to be out on time, and they always get me to my hub early. I've never encountered a bad pinnacle captain, and only 1 pathetic FO (hey im being honest here). The only suggestion I have for the pncl pilot group before we become one big happy family is to be nicer to the gate agents. Bring them chocolates or something, its weird to have to cover a turn to a station you've been going to for over a year and have thems meet us with open arms, groveling and the like because they want us back!

I don't know about you but if gate agents aren't satisfied with professional pilots acting with a socially acceptable level of curtesy, then they can go pound sand. I'll be damned if I am going to bribe any of those people with chocolates to get them to do the job they signed up for.

 

[joepilot29]

I agree. Worst gate agents in the delta system happen to be in detroit along with the worst rampers and atc controllers in the country. They are beyond bribes up there. Just plain lazy. I want our JFK base back. They actually miss us up there.

 

[joepilot29]

I will say one thing although I have committed suicide already on this thread. I have heard the pinnacle crews are fighting going to JFK. You should go up there. It will thicken your skin and you will learn how to really fly. Think thats why they hate OH in DTW although they are starting to figure out we know what we are doing. If you can handle JFK even LGA every other airport in the country is a cakewalk. They do not hold your hand up there. DTW is boring compared to JFK.

After being based up there for 4 years I learned how to fly a CRJ on the edge of its envelope within its limitations. You actually get rewarded for hustling up there. They know how to move metal with limited runways in crap weather. I am tired already of 20 mile finals on a visual day in DTW and being slowed to 210 kts 30 miles out.

DTW is a mess. Why do I have to talk to 4 different ground frequencies to get to the runway. Funny how one emergency can shut down DTW ground while JFK doesn't miss a beat. They run JFK with ONE ground frequency sometimes 2 if things are busy. They move more planes at JFK then they do at DTW with less runways. 2300 hrs of JFK time is better then 2300 hrs of DTW time any day. Just a little advice and I am not chuck yeager by any means. Just learned alot being based at JFK for 4 years. Best time of my of my flying career so far. Low point is being based in DTW.

Think Clint Eastwood said it best in Heart Break Ridge "You have to Adapt, Improvise and Overcome". That's JFK in a nutshell on a daily basis. Wish we were still there. Go up there if you have the chance!!!

 

[CptMurf]

I will say one thing although I have committed suicide already on this thread. I have heard the pinnacle crews are fighting going to JFK. You should go up there. It will thicken your skin and you will learn how to really fly. Think thats why they hate OH in DTW although they are starting to figure out we know what we are doing. If you can handle JFK even LGA every other airport in the country is a cakewalk. They do not hold your hand up there. DTW is boring compared to JFK.

After being based up there for 4 years I learned how to fly a CRJ on the edge of its envelope within its limitations. You actually get rewarded for hustling up there. They know how to move metal with limited runways in crap weather. I am tired already of 20 mile finals on a visual day in DTW and being slowed to 210 kts 30 miles out.

DTW is a mess. Why do I have to talk to 4 different ground frequencies to get to the runway. Funny how one emergency can shut down DTW ground while JFK doesn't miss a beat. They run JFK with ONE ground frequency sometimes 2 if things are busy. They move more planes at JFK then they do at DTW with less runways. 2300 hrs of JFK time is better then 2300 hrs of DTW time any day. Just a little advice and I am not chuck yeager by any means. Just learned alot being based at JFK for 4 years. Best time of my of my flying career so far. Low point is being based in DTW.

Think Clint Eastwood said it best in Heart Break Ridge "You have to Adapt, Improvise and Overcome". That's JFK in a nutshell on a daily basis. Wish we were still there. Go up there if you have the chance!!!

I believe if any PNCL person is resisting JFK it is from a cost perspective, not an operational one.

Also PNCL (9E, XJ, and 9L) have operated out of JFK for awhile with no problems. Their operations are screwed up just as bad as DTW. Even so, XJ (now PNCL) has been posting good D0 A0 A14 numbers outta there. Guess that means we haved "learned how to really fly" too huh?!?

 

[RJLoser]

JFK sucks.

 

[no1pilot2000]

With the changes happening at the regionals (Comair's fleet reduction and the unknown of American Eagles future) what regional will be worth going to in the next 5 to 10 years?!

 

[Flyer1015]

With the changes happening at the regionals (Comair's fleet reduction and the unknown of American Eagles future) what regional will be worth going to in the next 5 to 10 years?!

None. If you are smart enough, intelligent, go to med school.

 

[WIPilot]

None. If you are smart enough, intelligent, go to med school.

If you dont want to be a pilot still, do something about it.