Pinnacle Near Top of Their Game in January '09 On-Time Performance

[Flyprdu]

When you quit slamming the union on this board, join a commitee and become involved in the solution?

I'm so sick of hearing that tired comeback. The solution will come when the equivocating and excuse making ends... and the pilot group and the MEC finally decide to grow a pair.

 

[DoinTime]

It's a 2% hit if you assume 100% credit to trip value. Add in what other airlines get in additional credit from block or better and various overrides... the gap is far far greater.

You assume trip values are always less than scheduled time. They are not, in fact on an annualized average they are the same if not a little bit better on the TV side. Getting paid "scheduled" time or better is an invitation for the company to slash marketing times in order to save on pilot payroll. That would make the pilots earning block time only which is the worst pay scheme of all.

I was not making any references to overall pay outside of the current PCL flight credit system.

 

[Flyprdu]

Every scheduled block has a buffer in it. Use common sense: You don't hear other airlines fighting for trip value pay. They fight for Block or Better. Why? Because over the year you will earn more making scheduled block than averaged trip value.

 

[DoinTime]

Every scheduled block has a buffer in it.

Yeah....that buffer is scheduled arrival time +14 minutes to qualify as DOT on-time.

Use common sense: You don't hear other airlines fighting for trip value pay. They fight for Block or Better. Why? Because over the year you will earn more making scheduled block than averaged trip value.

Care to back up that statement with any facts? "Block or better" is a sound bite used to describe any number of schemes that pay either a predetermined value or the actual flight time, whichever is greater. Horizon, Mesaba, and several other carriers use average values for credit calculation.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Yes. It was chicken sh*t in 1999. And it is chicken sh*t today. I've never known a work group to credit so little for hours flown.

How long have you been at PCL?

 

[Flyprdu]

How long have you been at PCL?

You tell me why that's even close to being relevant.. I might consider telling you.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

You tell me why that's even close to being relevant.. I might consider telling you.

Why you haven't left PCL.

 

[Flyprdu]

Why you haven't left PCL.

There's a tremendous difference between leaving a company and being satisfied with the status quo. Too many pilots at 9E are comfortable enough with the way things are here to be committed to taking aggressive steps to change it.

That's why you see RJs taxiing at 45 mph, and captains who are hellbent on closing the door on time. Why hotels get switched to the dirtiest fleabag on the strip without so much as a peep from the union. And why captains continue to pick up open time even as we downgrade.

Comfortable Complacency.

 

[DoinTime]

The solution will come when the equivocating and excuse making ends... and the pilot group and the MEC finally decide to grow a pair.

So what's your excuse?

You tell me why that's even close to being relevant.. I might consider telling you.

Its relevant because you willfully took employment at PCL knowing what the contract was like.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

I Love Crewroom Whiners!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

I'm so sick of hearing that tired comeback. The solution will come when the equivocating and excuse making ends... and the pilot group and the MEC finally decide to grow a pair.

Only a gutless coward backstabs their pilot group and MEC anonymously on a public web board. Gee, who should grow a pair.

 

[SEVEN]

There's a tremendous difference between leaving a company and being satisfied with the status quo. Too many pilots at 9E are comfortable enough with the way things are here to be committed to taking aggressive steps to change it.

That's why you see RJs taxiing at 45 mph, and captains who are hellbent on closing the door on time. Why hotels get switched to the dirtiest fleabag on the strip without so much as a peep from the union. And why captains continue to pick up open time even as we downgrade.

Comfortable Complacency.

This is the result of having a pilot group full of followers and not leaders. Change can only come if there are more leaders than followers. Don't take this as a personal attack. But you know better than anyone what kind of pilot group you have as a result of the massive hiring boom Pinnacle experienced for a few years. You hired hundreds of pilots from the gutter. Pilot factories kicking out pilots left and right to make your HR happy so they could staff the right seat of that lawn dart as fast as possible.
The result: a weak pilot group with a sub-part, decade-old, weak contract with unacceptable work rules. There is really no room for debate on the subject. The facts are overwhelming to back up these examples. And excuses only continue to delay the process of change. Once the pilot group is united and commited to working together for change, good things can start to happen. This, in my opinion will probably not happen due to the cancer that plagues your pilot group ( the Gulfstream and Jet U guys). Those characters are a different breed and don't get it. This is why your contract is in the current state it's in. Period.

 

[Flyprdu]

Only a gutless coward backstabs their pilot group and MEC anonymously on a public web board. Gee, who should grow a pair.

Maybe it's time for someone to start airing our dirty laundry. Maybe then something will get done. The MEC tries to bury all dissent with nasty little threats and whispers of management is listening. When in reality, it's just a tactic to keep everyone in lock step as we march in place.

 

[Flyprdu]

This is the result of having a pilot group full of followers and not leaders. Change can only come if there are more leaders than followers. Don't take this as a personal attack. But you know better than anyone what kind of pilot group you have as a result of the massive hiring boom Pinnacle experienced for a few years. You hired hundreds of pilots from the gutter. Pilot factories kicking out pilots left and right to make your HR happy so they could staff the right seat of that lawn dart as fast as possible.
The result: a weak pilot group with a sub-part, decade-old, weak contract with unacceptable work rules. There is really no room for debate on the subject. The facts are overwhelming to back up these examples. And excuses only continue to delay the process of change. Once the pilot group is united and commited to working together for change, good things can start to happen. This, in my opinion will probably not happen due to the cancer that plagues your pilot group ( the Gulfstream and Jet U guys). Those characters are a different breed and don't get it. This is why your contract is in the current state it's in. Period.

What is the solution?

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Maybe it's time for someone to start airing our dirty laundry. Maybe then something will get done. The MEC tries to bury all dissent with nasty little threats and whispers of management is listening. When in reality, it's just a tactic to keep everyone in lock step as we march in place.

Yep, you're right, it's a big conpiracy, just like your thread http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=120930&highlight=ground+the+Q400