Pinnacle Near Top of Their Game in January '09 On-Time Performance

[Flyprdu]

Yep, you're right, it's a big conpiracy, just like your thread http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=120930&highlight=ground+the+Q400

Nice attempt at a hijack. It really is a shame that we have to result to personal attacks rather than focus on the serious matters at hand. There is no forum to address issues with the union. Can't say anything on the call-ins. Can't say anything on the message boards. In the off chance you happen to run a union officer at work, you can say something. But I have to tell you, there's a better chance of seeing a Leprechaun than a union official at an airport.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

I'm so sick of hearing that tired comeback. The solution will come when the equivocating and excuse making ends... and the pilot group and the MEC finally decide to grow a pair.

This isn't a personal attack?

 

[DoinTime]

Maybe it's time for someone to start airing our dirty laundry. Maybe then something will get done. The MEC tries to bury all dissent with nasty little threats and whispers of management is listening.

Where is all this dissent? I listen to the conference calls, I read the message boards, I spend time in the crew rooms but outside of a couple of whack jobs that walk among us its pretty quiet. Have you discussed your dissent with your status rep, the MEC chairman, or anyone other than the voices in your head?

When in reality, it's just a tactic to keep everyone in lock step as we march in place.

This explains a lot. You are one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks everything is plot against them. I've heard they have medications for this ailment now. You might want to see your doctor about that.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Nice attempt at a hijack. It really is a shame that we have to result to personal attacks rather than focus on the serious matters at hand. There is no forum to address issues with the union. Can't say anything on the call-ins. Can't say anything on the message boards. In the off chance you happen to run a union officer at work, you can say something. But I have to tell you, there's a better chance of seeing a Leprechaun than a union official at an airport.

No phone or email? Your problem solving skills are amazing!

 

[Flyprdu]

Where is all this dissent? I listen to the conference calls, I read the message boards, I spend time in the crew rooms but outside of a couple of whack jobs that walk among us its pretty quiet.

It's out there. And yeah, it's probably a minority viewpoint... which is a shame. That explains why we've gone 5 years without even the hint of a new contract.

And the reason why you don't hear anything is because no one feels they have a voice in this. Any speaking up is immediately crushed, just like you're doing to me now.

So what happens is people grow apathetic. Apathetic to management and their continuing abuses. Apathetic to the union's impotence to stop it. People just give up.

 

[DoinTime]

It's out there. And yeah, it's probably a minority viewpoint... which is a shame.

Don't confuse people who are being agreeable with people who actually agree.

That explains why we've gone 5 years without even the hint of a new contract.

The union could have delivered management's version of a contract a long time ago. Then you'd be b*tching even louder than the Union is a bunch of sell outs. Instead the Union fights for a good contract but you still b*tch. What's it take to win with you?

Any speaking up is immediately crushed, just like you're doing to me now.

You are not speaking up. You are throwing stones. Speaking up is presenting legitimate issues for debate that are backed up with sound reasoning, factual information, and identifiable evidence.

 

[Flyprdu]

I will PM you.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

I took the liberty of putting your thread:http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...round+the+Q400, on eHarmony and they found a match..................it's Mary Schiavo.

 

[Top Gum]

Made about 40 percent on some pcl stock this week. Guess I had better sell it before the new contract comes and screws up all the performance.

 

[Flyprdu]

meh..

 

[Smarta$$]

This is the result of having a pilot group full of followers and not leaders. Change can only come if there are more leaders than followers. Don't take this as a personal attack. But you know better than anyone what kind of pilot group you have as a result of the massive hiring boom Pinnacle experienced for a few years. You hired hundreds of pilots from the gutter. Pilot factories kicking out pilots left and right to make your HR happy so they could staff the right seat of that lawn dart as fast as possible.
The result: a weak pilot group with a sub-part, decade-old, weak contract with unacceptable work rules. There is really no room for debate on the subject. The facts are overwhelming to back up these examples. And excuses only continue to delay the process of change. Once the pilot group is united and commited to working together for change, good things can start to happen. This, in my opinion will probably not happen due to the cancer that plagues your pilot group ( the Gulfstream and Jet U guys). Those characters are a different breed and don't get it. This is why your contract is in the current state it's in. Period.

I really don't have the energy to tell you your an idiot, again.

Just a few things, we have the highest strike vote in the history of ALPA, We have not accepted any of the companies lame contract offers, we have tried to take them to task on all the contract violations, we didn't cave in to keep our 15 jets from going to your company and I have seen COUNTLESS UND pilots that have no spine to stand up to the company.

While I am no fan of the Jet U and Gulfstream programs, and will not defend them, I have seen cowards from all backgrounds. You have MORE THAN a few COMPLETE TOOLBOXES from your hiring spree over the last few years.

On a different note, if we had the "Great Anointed Mesaba" pilot group with the same 9E mismanagement and the same labor hating government that we have had, how SPECIFICALLY would we have a new contract by now?

 

[Smarta$$]

Maybe it's time for someone to start airing our dirty laundry. Maybe then something will get done. The MEC tries to bury all dissent with nasty little threats and whispers of management is listening. When in reality, it's just a tactic to keep everyone in lock step as we march in place.

Wow, you really are a pathetic little man, or woman.

 

[Flyprdu]

Wow, you really are a pathetic little man, or woman.

That hurts, smarta$$.. That really hurts.

 

[Smarta$$]

It's out there. And yeah, it's probably a minority viewpoint... which is a shame. That explains why we've gone 5 years without even the hint of a new contract.

And the reason why you don't hear anything is because no one feels they have a voice in this. Any speaking up is immediately crushed, just like you're doing to me now.

So what happens is people grow apathetic. Apathetic to management and their continuing abuses. Apathetic to the union's impotence to stop it. People just give up.

I don't remember you actually putting forward a thoughtful, effective and legal solution.

Lets hear it?

 

[DTWFO]

I really don't have the energy to tell you your an idiot, again.

Just a few things, we have the highest strike vote in the history of ALPA, We have not accepted any of the companies lame contract offers, we have tried to take them to task on all the contract violations, we didn't cave in to keep our 15 jets from going to your company and I have seen COUNTLESS UND pilots that have no spine to stand up to the company.

While I am no fan of the Jet U and Gulfstream programs, and will not defend them, I have seen cowards from all backgrounds. You have MORE THAN a few COMPLETE TOOLBOXES from your hiring spree over the last few years.

On a different note, if we had the "Great Anointed Mesaba" pilot group with the same 9E mismanagement and the same labor hating government that we have had, how SPECIFICALLY would we have a new contract by now?

Ha ha, so true!