Pinnacle Near Top of Their Game in January '09 On-Time Performance

[DoinTime]

I will PM you.

You expect a lot of things that are blatantly illegal. I'm not sure if you just don't know they are illegal or if you just don't care. If you have ever talked to Rep I'm sure they gave you the same speech I got but our management group would sue the crap out of us for any of this stuff. Heck, they sue us for things we aren't guilty of.

Take a look at the jam the United pilots have already gotten themselves into and they aren't even in negotiations yet.

 

[Flyprdu]

You expect a lot of things that are blatantly illegal. I'm not sure if you just don't know they are illegal or if you just don't care. If you have ever talked to Rep I'm sure they gave you the same speech I got but our management group would sue the crap out of us for any of this stuff. Heck, they sue us for things we aren't guilty of.

Take a look at the jam the United pilots have already gotten themselves into and they aren't even in negotiations yet.

You're right. Let's not do anything. I'm comfortable enough with what little scraps we have. We don't deserve anything more, nor should we test the threshold.

Management has us beat. We are all pissing our pants for fear of a lawsuit.

 

[SEVEN]

I really don't have the energy to tell you your an idiot, again.

If you want to have a mature back and forth debate/discussion, we can have it. But unfortunately you have to begin your ramblings with this kind of useless crap. I'll say it again; STOP posting on this forum if all you're going to do is act like my 5 year old and name call. And please don't respond to this post unless it begins with an apology to me and the rest of the readers of this thread.
Good Day.

 

[DoinTime]

You're right. Let's not do anything. I'm comfortable enough with what little scraps we have. We don't deserve anything more, nor should we test the threshold.

Do you have to be told what to do for everything in your life? If you think picking up open time is bad why don't you promote that position? If you think dropping the brake when you clearly aren't ready to push is bad why don't you promote that position? Why do you need to hear it from someone else to make it something worth sticking your neck out for? Are you afraid of taking on the personal liability for opening your mouth?

Management has us beat. We are all pissing our pants for fear of a lawsuit.

Do you think a lawsuit filled by the company that had significant merit would do anything positive for the pilot group or our contract negotiations?

Management doesn't have our MEC beat. They've beat people like who are incapable of doing what countless generations of Unionists before us have done in turbulent times. STICK TOGETHER AND TAKE PERSONAL ACTION. This is not our MEC's fight and it is not ALPA National's fight. This is the fight of ALL Pinnacle pilots and it can not be won unless the pilot group engages themselves. People like you spewing your misplaced and uneducated anger set us all back so I would appreciate it if you would either get educated or shut up. Every day that goes by I lose money because of people like you.

 

[Smarta$$]

If you want to have a mature back and forth debate/discussion, we can have it. But unfortunately you have to begin your ramblings with this kind of useless crap. I'll say it again; STOP posting on this forum if all you're going to do is act like my 5 year old and name call. And please don't respond to this post unless it begins with an apology to me and the rest of the readers of this thread.
Good Day.

While I did call you a name, YOU have been disrespectful, incidiary and derogatory toward my pilot group.

One is not worse than the other. And as expected, you did not answer my question.

Thus, you will be waiting a long time for an apology from me.

 

[1.3XVso]

Thanks

Thanks to all PCL company *************************s for bending over for uncle phil and his cronies.. Also congrats on giving them there bonuses..

 

[SEVEN]

On a different note, if we had the "Great Anointed Mesaba" pilot group with the same 9E mismanagement and the same labor hating government that we have had, how SPECIFICALLY would we have a new contract by now?

I'll take a stab, but you have to promise to stop name calling in the majority of your posts with those whom you don't agree.
The question you posed is almost impossible to answer. To correct you first; Mesaba's pilot group is far from "anointed." If you saw the last batch of low time wonders you would understand. There are of few of those that slipped through the HR hiring crack when we couldn't fill seats fast enough. Thank God the days of hiring guys with less than 1000 hrs total time are history. With that being said, The majority of pilots at Mesaba would rather be working at Home Depot than work for Pinnacle. That's a Fact. It's a different culture at Mesaba. Our pilot group takes pride in our safety record and our professionalism. For about 2-3 years at Pinnacle it was one violation after accident after incident. Over and over and over and over and over again. Regan National, the mountains of Montana, the overfly with F16's in DTW, the off roading in MKE, the winter wonderland in TVC, and of course and Jefferson City accident.
Now that the crazy hiring boom has ended for 9E, we have seen a ruduction of crazy incidents. Thank God.
So what's my point? You can't compare apples and oranges. You would not have our pilot group with your management. So it's hard to rationalize that situation. But if it was the case, our pilots would have quit during day 5 of indoc once they saw what a cluster F your training department was over the last few years.
Hope this helps you understand the perspective Mesaba pilots have about 9E. We don't despise the individual pilot, just what the whole pilot group stands for and the foundation from which it stems.
Clear as mud? I hope so.

 

[RJLoser]

Did Mesaba not just put a 900 off the runway in DTW? Did your "professional" pilot group take pride in that?

 

[DoinTime]

It's a different culture at Mesaba. Our pilot group takes pride in our safety record and our professionalism.

Its strange how such a strong safety culture breeds a bunch of grown men who like to corn hole little boys.

 

[SEVEN]

Did Mesaba not just put a 900 off the runway in DTW? Did your "professional" pilot group take pride in that?

Point taken. I figured this would come up. Let me restate my previous point: The "vast majority" of XJ pilots take pride in our safety record and professionalism. I am still deeply disapointed that we had a brand new airplane slide off the runway for "whatever" reason. Pilot error? Of course. Would this incident have happened if another crew had been piloting the aircraft that day? Probably not. There were many 900's landing and taxiing safely off runway 22R that morning. But my other points in my previous post were accurate and spot on.

 

[RJLoser]

How about blowing out the windows of the employee bus by doing cross bleed starts at the gate!!??

I like the majority of XJ guys but....ever heard of the glass house and throwing rocks?

 

[1.3XVso]

perfect

I'll take a stab, but you have to promise to stop name calling in the majority of your posts with those whom you don't agree.
The question you posed is almost impossible to answer. To correct you first; Mesaba's pilot group is far from "anointed." If you saw the last batch of low time wonders you would understand. There are of few of those that slipped through the HR hiring crack when we couldn't fill seats fast enough. Thank God the days of hiring guys with less than 1000 hrs total time are history. With that being said, The majority of pilots at Mesaba would rather be working at Home Depot than work for Pinnacle. That's a Fact. It's a different culture at Mesaba. Our pilot group takes pride in our safety record and our professionalism. For about 2-3 years at Pinnacle it was one violation after accident after incident. Over and over and over and over and over again. Regan National, the mountains of Montana, the overfly with F16's in DTW, the off roading in MKE, the winter wonderland in TVC, and of course and Jefferson City accident.
Now that the crazy hiring boom has ended for 9E, we have seen a ruduction of crazy incidents. Thank God.
So what's my point? You can't compare apples and oranges. You would not have our pilot group with your management. So it's hard to rationalize that situation. But if it was the case, our pilots would have quit during day 5 of indoc once they saw what a cluster F your training department was over the last few years.
Hope this helps you understand the perspective Mesaba pilots have about 9E. We don't despise the individual pilot, just what the whole pilot group stands for and the foundation from which it stems.
Clear as mud? I hope so.

Your the perfect canidate to nominate for the typical mesaba mo fo. Your the perfect example to hit with you seven kicks in your ass for being such a dooooosh bag. Faggg.

 

[dondk]

I'll take a stab, but you have to promise to stop name calling in the majority of your posts with those whom you don't agree.
The question you posed is almost impossible to answer. To correct you first; Mesaba's pilot group is far from "anointed." If you saw the last batch of low time wonders you would understand. There are of few of those that slipped through the HR hiring crack when we couldn't fill seats fast enough. Thank God the days of hiring guys with less than 1000 hrs total time are history. With that being said, The majority of pilots at Mesaba would rather be working at Home Depot than work for Pinnacle. That's a Fact. It's a different culture at Mesaba. Our pilot group takes pride in our safety record and our professionalism. For about 2-3 years at Pinnacle it was one violation after accident after incident. Over and over and over and over and over again. Regan National, the mountains of Montana, the overfly with F16's in DTW, the off roading in MKE, the winter wonderland in TVC, and of course and Jefferson City accident.
Now that the crazy hiring boom has ended for 9E, we have seen a ruduction of crazy incidents. Thank God.
So what's my point? You can't compare apples and oranges. You would not have our pilot group with your management. So it's hard to rationalize that situation. But if it was the case, our pilots would have quit during day 5 of indoc once they saw what a cluster F your training department was over the last few years.
Hope this helps you understand the perspective Mesaba pilots have about 9E. We don't despise the individual pilot, just what the whole pilot group stands for and the foundation from which it stems.
Clear as mud? I hope so.

You have a point but you appear to be throwing ALL the 9E pilots under the bus with your statement.
The accident/incident/violation really has very little to do with the pilot "group". Making that statement is basically saying all 9E pilots are the same as those in the events you mention.

the ONE thing you did get right was It's a different culture at Mesaba , the question to ask is why? it is really the pilots? or perhaps the culture of the company? XJ while it does not have the list if incidents, does have several pilots that I believe are incarcerated. ironically all for the same thing too (what's the odds of that?). Regardless, the XJ pilot group and the 9E pilot groups are basically the same... a group of pilots that are trying to make a living. What makes them different is the environment they operate in. To blame the pilot group is wrong, you must blame the environment and support the pilot group.

 

[SEVEN]

You have a point but you appear to be throwing ALL the 9E pilots under the bus with your statement.
The accident/incident/violation really has very little to do with the pilot "group". Making that statement is basically saying all 9E pilots are the same as those in the events you mention.

the ONE thing you did get right was It's a different culture at Mesaba , the question to ask is why? it is really the pilots? or perhaps the culture of the company? XJ while it does not have the list if incidents, does have several pilots that I believe are incarcerated. ironically all for the same thing too (what's the odds of that?). Regardless, the XJ pilot group and the 9E pilot groups are basically the same... a group of pilots that are trying to make a living. What makes them different is the environment they operate in. To blame the pilot group is wrong, you must blame the environment and support the pilot group.

I disagree with your post/opinion. But I respect your view.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

There are some WEIRD guys over at XJ. Every airline has a couple here or there, but it is quite the different culture over there.

They always seemed to walk around the halls like they were the hottest sh!t around... it was especially noticable when we shared the hall with them.


dondk hit the nail on the head with his summary.