Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan Reallignment

[Flyer1015]

The sh!t sandwich where the nearest 9e guy senior to me is 100 something numbers above and hired well after me, and the Colgan guys around me were hired 2 years after me? Is that not a sh!t sandwich? Be careful, XJHawk incoming...

What's your point? I'm in the same boat as you are. How's that just your sh*t sandwich? I was hired in 2007 at Pinnacle, and a guy at Colgan hired in Feb 2008 is now 500+ numbers above me. I got screwed the same.

 

[Flyer1015]

It's official: Pinnacle's most junior Captains are now back in the right seat of the RJ. All this as a result of just the MEM base closure and the silly quotas. Unforunately, there is far far more to come. What about LGA, MSP, and DTW? Those Saab bases will be closing, and by some estimates it will be done before the year is over.

 

[Grinder10]

I don't see how they can get that many through transition training so quickly.

 

[Flyprdu]

All you Mesaba Captains need to go up to the next Pinnacle pilot you see in the terminal, and give him 5 bucks or a thank you card or something.

We have absorbed your downgrade and furlough fodder on our backs... So I expect to be fully recognized in the terminal. I want you guys to get to the nearest PA... and announce to the terminal that if it wasn't for that Pinnacle pilot, that fourth stripe that hangs so precariously on your shoulder wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him.

That's what I want.

 

[bri5150]

What's your point? I'm in the same boat as you are. How's that just your sh*t sandwich? I was hired in 2007 at Pinnacle, and a guy at Colgan hired in Feb 2008 is now 500+ numbers above me. I got screwed the same.

Were the Mesaba guys around you hired after you as well? I had both other airlines around me hired after me, and I lost relative seniority....sh!t sandwich.

 

[Flyer1015]

All you Mesaba Captains need to go up to the next Pinnacle pilot you see in the terminal, and give him 5 bucks or a thank you card or something.

We have absorbed your downgrade and furlough fodder on our backs... So I expect to be fully recognized in the terminal. I want you guys to get to the nearest PA... and announce to the terminal that if it wasn't for that Pinnacle pilot, that fourth stripe that hangs so precariously on your shoulder wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him.

That's what I want.

Screw that. That doesn't do anything to change anything, nor does it help us. We have just become the next American Eagle in the middle of the last decade. 7-8+ year upgrades, and downgrades of our current junior Captains. I feel like the Mesaba guys are like the Eagle flowback Captains. They had the same situation, many of their current Captains were displaced to FO, and current FOs suffered a 8-10 year upgrade.

 

[Flyer1015]

Were the Mesaba guys around you hired after you as well? I had both other airlines around me hired after me, and I lost relative seniority....sh!t sandwich.

Ok, you have a slightly more a sh*t sandwich than I do. Around me, I'm one month above the Mesaba guy. Just a month.

 

[bri5150]

All you Mesaba Captains need to go up to the next Pinnacle pilot you see in the terminal, and give him 5 bucks or a thank you card or something.

We have absorbed your downgrade and furlough fodder on our backs... So I expect to be fully recognized in the terminal. I want you guys to get to the nearest PA... and announce to the terminal that if it wasn't for that Pinnacle pilot, that fourth stripe that hangs so precariously on your shoulder wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him.

That's what I want.

Give him $5 for getting higher on the seniority list than me when hired after me? Nah, I'll put it towards my kid's college fund.

 

[Flyprdu]

Were the Mesaba guys around you hired after you as well? I had both other airlines around me hired after me, and I lost relative seniority....sh!t sandwich.

F*ck your relative seniority. You still have the same equipment, or even an upgrade. Because you are protected and you have a fast pass to bigger equipment with quotas that are more than adequate. Also advancement to 108 slots exclusive to Mesaba pilots only.

Every pinnacle First Officer has to wait until he or she can hold it on the master list because we're over 100 over our quota. A little less today, since about 20 of us had to be downgraded to accommodate your failure of an airline.

So from the bottom of my heart, we thank you.

 

[bri5150]

Screw that. That doesn't do anything to change anything, nor does it help us. We have just become the next American Eagle in the middle of the last decade. 7-8+ year upgrades, and downgrades of our current junior Captains. I feel like the Mesaba guys are like the Eagle flowback Captains. They had the same situation, many of their current Captains were displaced to FO, and current FOs suffered a 8-10 year upgrade.

I hate to say it, but it isn't like Eagle. It's like the ENTIRE REGIONAL INDUSTRY right now. Age 65 messed things up for 5 years. Those moving on will do so soon (hopefully), and anyone that can get out of here in the next 5 years should do so because there is some major hurting coming when the 200 ASA is up (which coincides with our contract expiring as well I think).

 

[bri5150]

F*ck your relative seniority. You still have the same equipment, or even an upgrade. Because you are protected and you have a fast pass to bigger equipment with quotas that are more than adequate.

Every pinnacle First Officer has to wait until he or she can hold it on the master list because we're over 100 over our quota. A little less today, since about 20 of us had to be downgraded to accommodate your failure of an airline.

So from the bottom of my heart, we thank you.

Wow, it is very obvious from Mesaba's point of view who the failure of an airline is. It has been 14 months and this is the first thing I have seen towards integrating any of the airlines. Don't look at us for your failed management.

 

[Flyprdu]

Wow, it is very obvious from Mesaba's point of view who the failure of an airline is. It has been 14 months and this is the first thing I have seen towards integrating any of the airlines. Don't look at us for your failed management.

You know thats a nice redirect... but airlines happen to be in the business of actually flying planes.

Mesaba would have been the next Comair with your Saabs off to the desert. So, my Pinnacle brother, you would have had a lot more to b*tch about than your piddly little lost of relative.

But we foolishly stepped in, thinking we could somehow salvage your operation. But Delta wanted you gone. And now we share your stinking failure.

I still want that PA.

 

[Flyer1015]

bri, you are pointing a finger at our management for not hiring enough and our staffing issues. I agree on that point. But the REAL problem is the fact that we merged with a SHRINKING carrier that stood to lose about 45% of its current self! Now, everyone of us at Pinnacle is taking the hit for that 100%. Some of our most junior Captains are now making 45% less into a base they had no desire to be in, all to accomodate your shrinking airline's movement.

 

[Flyer1015]

I agree FlyPrdu, we f**ked ourselves at Pinnacle the day we we bought and merged with a carrier shrinking by 45% of its former self.

 

[bri5150]

Okay. I give up. You guys got way more hosed than we did because 10 of your pilots got downgraded to our 3. Let's talk in 5 years when the 200 ASA is up which airline got the worst of this deal. God help me I won't be working for Pinnacle.

 

[Flyprdu]

Okay. I give up. You guys got way more hosed than we did because 10 of your pilots got downgraded to our 3. Let's talk in 5 years when the 200 ASA is up which airline got the worst of this deal. God help me I won't be working for Pinnacle.

10 pilots that needn't have to without your waste of a company.

 

[Flyer1015]

Okay. I give up. You guys got way more hosed than we did because 10 of your pilots got downgraded to our 3. Let's talk in 5 years when the 200 ASA is up which airline got the worst of this deal. God help me I won't be working for Pinnacle.

Come on bri, you should know better. The disastrous result posted was only the result of one base closure of the Saab. Mesaba's shrinking is still an on-going process, and next on the chopping block are LGA, DTW, and MSP. As a Mesaba pilot, I'm sure you've already done the math on just how many Mesaba Captains and FOs on the Saabs that will get displaced. And take a damn wild guess where they are going, and take another wilde guess who will continue to downgrade and displace from that ensuing blow.

This is only the beginning of a long, painful chain reaction.

 

[bri5150]

10 pilots that needn't had to without your waste of a company.

:laugh: Because Delta didn't want turboprops, we work for a waste of a company. Makes sense.

 

[Flyprdu]

:laugh: Because Delta didn't want turboprops, we work for a waste of a company. Makes sense.

Makes sense when you're primarily a turboprop operator, doesn't it? We've hitched our wagon to the ugly girl at the ball .. and the worst thing is: we bought her dinner, and she doesn't even put out.

 

[Grinder10]

This is only the beginning of a long, painful chain reaction.

This was only for the first 23 Saab CA's. There are still 103 to go. FML

 

[higney85]

This was only for the first 23 Saab CA's. There are still 103 to go. FML

Yea, it's going to be ugly until it all shakes out.

 

[gojo]

Makes sense when you're primarily a turboprop operator, doesn't it? We've hitched our wagon to the ugly girl at the ball .. and the worst thing is: we bought her dinner, and she doesn't even put out.

Hmmm 60 jets, and 28 Saabs. I'm not sure about your definition of primarily. Anyway, I've never felt like I got anything better out of this deal, bent over maybe. Pinnacle isn't all that you claim it is.

 

[Flyprdu]

Hmmm 60 jets, and 28 Saabs. I'm not sure about your definition of primarily. Anyway, I've never felt like I got anything better out of this deal, bent over maybe. Pinnacle isn't all that you claim it is.

Then quit, and graciously give your slot up to a Pinnacle pilot who would gladly keep his position.

And when ever you question if you didn't get a better deal.. imagine where you'd be right now if Pinnacle hadn't bought Mesaba.

Then punch yourself in the nuts for being a moron.

 

[Simon Says]

10 pilots that needn't have to without your waste of a company.

OK, OK, let me have a piece of this one.

Your welcome for our contract.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I crack myself up. Waste of a company? You D.Bag lets have a body count and see which company between Colgan, Pinnacle, and Mesaba stack up.

OH, you been there since 07'. You have got to know it all then.

 

[Flyprdu]

OK, OK, let me have a piece of this one.

Your welcome for our contract.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I crack myself up. Waste of a company? You D.Bag lets have a body count and see which company between Colgan, Pinnacle, and Mesaba stack up.

OH, you been there since 07'. You have got to know it all then.

You know what's funny? You XJ guys blow hard -- but none of you seem to deny the facts:

1. Mesaba is shrinking.
2. Pinnacle pilots are absorbing your aircraft losses in your place.

So cut the crap. And get on the Terminal PA and kiss my ass.

 

[WTF-Over]

You know what's funny? You XJ guys blow hard -- but none of you seem to deny the facts:

1. Mesaba is shrinking.
2. Pinnacle pilots are absorbing your aircraft losses in your place.

So cut the crap. And get on the Terminal PA and kiss my ass.

1. yes
2. and yes.
But i lost almost 4 years of seniority and you gained a contract. I would say that about evens us out.

 

[ricecake]

1. yes
2. and yes.
But i lost almost 4 years of seniority and you gained a contract. I would say that about evens us out.

You can keep your contract.

 

[bri5150]

You know what's funny? Is you XJ guys blow hard -- but none of you seem to deny the facts:

1. Mesaba is shrinking.
2. Pinnacle pilots are absorbing your aircraft losses in your place.

So cut the crap. And get on the Terminal PA and kiss my ass.

1. Pinnacle is shrinking now. Enjoy it!! We will be shrinking more in 5 years when the aircraft you guys brought to the party go bye-bye.

2. How do you figure only Pinnacle pilots are absorbing our losses?? I am going to have to commute to keep my captain spot, as are a lot of the guys I know here. The junior Mesaba captains will be downgrading too.

3. I will add one more. If we weren't bought by your "waste of a company", we may have gotten all 3 of your 200 performance losses, and had a shot at those 700's that went to blowjets (pure speculation of course).

 

[gojo]

You know what's funny? You XJ guys blow hard -- but none of you seem to deny the facts:

1. Mesaba is shrinking.
2. Pinnacle pilots are absorbing your aircraft losses in your place.

So cut the crap. And get on the Terminal PA and kiss my ass.

Wow, your a real piece of work, and a perfect example of why Pinnacle has the reputation it has. I keep being optimistic that you are the minority here, but I'm begining to wonder. Ever wonder why Delta gave Mesaba to Pinnacle? Think safty record, and hull losses, performance issues etc. Now Pinnacle is ruining a good company. Anyway, I can't think of a single XJ pilot that wanted this, so quit blaming us. You just wanted our planes, how jacked up is that. Time to grow up a little

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Is XJ over their quota on the -900? I see a few 9E -200 guys that got awarded ATL -900 CA and a couple 9E -900 CA's that got awarded MEM -900 CA.