Pinnacle info picket at EWR over Q400 etc...

[Tank Commander]

Informational picketing is really not for the public, It's just done in front of the public. We would picket in front of Phil's house and any prospective investor or shareholder, but we probably would not get the permit. It works. What does not work is "APATHY".
Some people on the broad sound a lot like my 16 year old son.

 

[quinnlake]

I don't understand informational picketing. The public doesn't care at all about us. They want cheap fares and safe travel that is on time. They care about as much about us as we care about the person working at Mcdonalds.

I disagree. People do care. And, more importantly, the companies care. Think Continental is happy about the pickets? Do you think they are talking to you're company about their displeasure. You bet they are.

 

[737Longhorn]

This Continental pilot will be there!

 

[suupah]

I disagree. People do care. And, more importantly, the companies care. Think Continental is happy about the pickets? Do you think they are talking to you're company about their displeasure. You bet they are.

Continental will def. care. Looks bad for them. But the people? not sure about that one. Pilots barely understand scope and whip saw, I am not sure the public will get it. their minds are on their business meetings and their vacations.

Just Continental seeing will put pressure on Pinnolgan management to get their house more in order. So good

 

[PCL_128]

I'm merely suggesting that we need to think about the audience before we do things like picketing

The problem is that you're not understanding who the audience really is. The public is the least of ALPA's concerns. They aren't on our side, have never been on our side, and never will be on our side. Picketing is a way to demonstrate to management that the MEC isn't just some small group of pissed off pilots that don't represent the rank-and-file pilots. When over 200 of us picketed right in front of that scum-sucking POS Phildo's office with a giant rat in MEM, there was no longer any doubt that the average Pinnacle pilot was mad as hell. It also helps to get the investors worried. When investors see newspaper and nightly news stories about Pinnacle pilots picketing, they get worried and start asking Phildo the tough questions. If they get really worried, they start putting pressure on him to settle. This isn't about the flying public, this is much deeper than that.

 

[suupah]

The problem is that you're not understanding who the audience really is. The public is the least of ALPA's concerns. They aren't on our side, have never been on our side, and never will be on our side. Picketing is a way to demonstrate to management that the MEC isn't just some small group of pissed off pilots that don't represent the rank-and-file pilots. When over 200 of us picketed right in front of that scum-sucking POS Phildo's office with a giant rat in MEM, there was no longer any doubt that the average Pinnacle pilot was mad as hell. It also helps to get the investors worried. When investors see newspaper and nightly news stories about Pinnacle pilots picketing, they get worried and start asking Phildo the tough questions. If they get really worried, they start putting pressure on him to settle. This isn't about the flying public, this is much deeper than that.

that makes sense. i was looking at it solely from perspective of informing the public with picketing.

 

[AWACoff]

Continental pilots will be there to support you.

 

[Apache 5]

Continental pilots will be there to support you.

As an ExpressJet laborer, wish I could be there too.... I wouldnt bet against CAL, Colgan, and the Q growing more and more over the years- all three hubs, doing more and more express and mainline flying. Colgan grows and grows regardless of what the Pinnacle guys have to deal with...

 

[Flyer1015]

I felt like it was appropriate to post just to get Phildo's clown picture in this thread.




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[suupah]

The Q is the right plane for so many markets right now. It makes a lot of sense especially for CAL considering their scope clause. I hope some other regional carriers get into the nex gen turbo prop game before this cancer becomes terminal.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Seems to me if pilots don't show up to picket the message to management: our pilots won't show up to strike....

Said another way: You can't win games if you don't show up to practice.

I'll second that, Gus Grissom style." F$%K an A Bubba" ! just a bunch of little girls that are afraid to get their willies slapped

 

[abun]

We have no complaint with you or the Colgon pilot group. Our complaint is with Corp. They bought the Qs and they will profit from them and that is who we are picketing against. Our contract with Pinnacle is very clear on scope. What we want is all of the pilots to be on the same seniority list. We also want all the pilots to be working under a fair contract that raises the bar for everybody.
I will be there on Monday feel free to come over and talk to us.

not real informed about all this, but why do you want everyone on the same senority list?? Colgan at the bottom??

 

[suupah]

not real informed about all this, but why do you want everyone on the same senority list?? Colgan at the bottom??

If it happens of course Colgan at the bottom. No one at Colgan would get to vote and the majority at pinnacle would vote for a staple.

 

[abun]

What are the benefits for pinnacle of one list if they dont want to fly the Q's?

 

[PCL_128]

What are the benefits for pinnacle of one list if they dont want to fly the Q's?

Why do you assume that they don't want to fly the Q?

 

[SaturnPilot]

If it happens of course Colgan at the bottom. No one at Colgan would get to vote and the majority at pinnacle would vote for a staple.

A staple job would be impossible due to laws that have been passed requiring fair intergration. Seniority would be integrated according to Allegheny-Mowhawk.

Why would anyone NOT want a single list? If you wanted to stay on the Colgan side, you could...or if you wanted to fly the RJ, you could...nobody would bump you out of your current position. All that a single list would mean is job security for both of us without fear of whipsaw AND more opportunities for everybody.

 

[sinkrate]

What are the benefits for pinnacle of one list if they dont want to fly the Q's?

New hires at PCL are being awarded CRJ 900 FO positions and CRJ 200 CA positions. The CA seat is 60K a year. Those jobs could have been yours now even if the list was a staple, which it won't be. Why are Colgan pilots so insistent on giving up pay raises and career advancement opportunities? PCL management has done a brilliant job of hood winking the Colgan pilots to forgo career and income advancement in order to supposedly protect their current turbo prop jobs - that no one is trying to take from them. Rumours of 100 Q400's? Talk to some of the LoneStar pilots that heard the same rumours about their DO 328's - right before Trenary put the company in bankruptcy and shut the doors. He's been there done that and he is playing the same game again with you. He will hold out promises of new AC - but only if you stay cheap and not unionized. In the end you will be left with nothing - like the LoneStar pilots, and it will be Trenary that will do it to you, not the Pinnacle pilots or ALPA.

It would be nice if you could ask your management which airlines they were talking to about which AC, how many AC, how long a service agreement, how close to a 'deal' are you etc. But you probably can't and even if you could all you will get are evasive answers. Because there is nothing there but a bunch of talk. No real jobs, no bigger AC to fly or bigger paychecks, nothing but talk. Think you are going to get your time and get out? Hiring booms come and go and the odds are most of you will be in the same place 5 years from now - if it is still there.

It seems the Colgan pilots have been scared into worrying about what they could loose. If you sit down and look at it unemotionally you will see you have everything to gain and nothing to loose.

 

[DoinTime]

What are the benefits for pinnacle of one list if they dont want to fly the Q's?

The only benefit to the PCL pilot group to merge the groups is so that we wont get undercut by pilots making significantly less money with meager benefits. The benefits to the Colgan pilot group are significantly more money, better benefits, and established work rules in addition to career progression opportunities and job security.

I'm also curious why you seem to think none of us want to fly t-props? I'll fly whatever has the best balance of income vs. quality of life. There are a few pretentious people out there that look down on t-props but not very many.

 

[Mr Wu]

Given the expansion at Colgan and the stagnation at Pinnacle, Colgan pilots would probably fare better than Pinnacle pilots under an Allegheny/Mohawk style integration.

 

[abun]

Think you need to relax, they don't want to fly the Q, they want a new contract. They are frustrated that management at Pinnacle claims they can't afford pay raises yet can throw millions into th Q. They deserve a new contract, and while they are protesting the Q, they are not briging you into anything....

i guess i think that when i see numerous posts like this. obviously these folks dont speak for everyone!!