Pinnacle family members sue NWA!

[Cokie907]

Guys, we're already discussing this lawsuit here.

Who cares? Besides, the subject matter concerns a regional airline so it is more applicable to THIS board.

Eliminating these types of lawsuits is simple. "Loser pays" legislation which requires the plaintiff to pay the defendants legal bills was attempted in the 1990's as part of the Republican "Contract with America".

I won't say his name because my stomach turns at the mere mention, but someone (who was in bed with the American Trial Lawyers Association incidentally) vetoed the bill so it could not become law. So, lawsuits like this one are still rampant, particularly in aviation. Notice how Pinnacle is not named in the suit, could it be that the Charleston based law firm was going for the DEEPEST pockets they could get? They'll try to settle it out of court and get each defendant to cough up a sizable "contribution" to the ole kitty. Just wait and see.

 

[HawkerF/O]

I doubt the APU was running at FL410. There are procedures for Double Engine failure. The pilots had the engines fried before the ever got into the parameters for an air restart.

It was a bad deal and a great loss. But I disagree with the lawsuit. Also, I believe the FAA, Bombardier, and many airlines have changed / updated procedures and limitations as a result of this crash.

They were fried because the N2 never moved again after the failure.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Neither engine restarted when they pressed the button with the APU running. I suppose your families wouldn't care about that fact. The aircraft is certified to due certain things, and it didn't. The main reason these lawsuits are filed isn't just for the money. These issues will be completely swept under the carpet by the airframe and engine manufactures unless they are held somewhat accountable. These guys paid the ultimate price for the position they got themselves into, but the engines should have restarted. How would you explain that in another accident with a different set of circumstances and there were people in the back? Pick whatever reason you want for an engine flameout, but it shouldn't have core locked. GE knew about this from their flight test. Alot of this info will come out in the lawsuits. Otherwise you would never see it. Let these guys rest in peace and let the process play out.

Holy crap man!!! They were running both engines at full power at high altitude and then through stupidity shut off all air into said engines!!!.....Now just what do you expect to happen to the engines???

They got really really hot.....flamed out and then seized up..........just what any jet engine would do in that situation.

Good grief, just what do you think those cool down limits in every jet engines limitations are for?

They were stupid, not a theory, or a jab, but the CVR and data recorders clearly record stupidity by the crew. So now you advocate that because the crew was stupid, that their family members shold collect millions???

Sad, very Sad.

 

[Cadillac]

Lottery ticket?

Did you expect anything less than low character from the families who paid for their kids to get on at airlines with lower times than they would have been able to if they had had to compete with hard-working pilots that earned their flight time instead of going to GIA?

 

[QXpeon]

Guys, we're already discussing this lawsuit here.

Disscusion??

On this board???

hahahahahaha

 

[Tarzan]

What limitation was being exceeded at the time of the dual engine failures? Which one?

FDR says the engine temps were being grossly exceeded at the time they shut down. When they get that hot and quit, those compressor blades tend to stick to other metal. And getting the stick shaker then the push and over riding it at FL410???? I doubt the family sees a dime.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

What limitation was being exceeded at the time of the dual engine failures? Which one? You have a valid point in that situation, but that is clearly not what happened here. I'll ask again, what did this crew do to cause the engines to flame out once they were leveled off trying to accelerate? I have never flown an airplane that cautioned the engines would fail and not relight at the stick shaker.

The limitation that they broke was stalling the airplane at high altitude. I do not fly the CRJ, but it is like anyother sweptwing jet, Any full stall is taking your life in your hands, one at high altitude is even worse.

There is a reason that shakers and pushers exist on sweptwing airplanes. When they intentionally overrode the shaker/pusher 3 times(Per the report I read), they moved into unknown and dangerous territory. A jet engine needs air to run for combustion, BUT that air also keeps the engine cool, shut off the air at a high thrust setting (such as a full stall at high altitude) and the engine has enough air for combustion just long enough to let the internal temperatures climb to blast furnace proportions...as happened in this case. If memory serves from reading the report, somewhere in the neighborood of 600 degrees OVER redline. That kind of temp will melt just about anything.

The engines seizing the N2 compressors was a logical and forseen result of the pilots actions in my opinion.

I guess I would make a lousy lawyer. No way would I try to sue GE on this, Pinnacles training department maybe, but not the builder.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

I would be embarrassed to be you with those comments.

What the hell is embarrassing about speaking the truth?

 

[Nancy Pryor]

Bingo

When are people going to start taking responsibility for their behavior?

TinGoose scores a home run. The rest of the post was right on target but the Goose's one sentence above says it all. The families of these two idiots who crashed the CRJ like it was a hotrod on a Friday night coming home from the bar should be keeping a low profile, not trying to blame (and get lots of money from) innocent parties (who, by the way, have lots of money!) Those boys died because they were stupid, not because of a lack of training. Does the training department also have to tell you to look both ways before you cross the street? Is it their fault if they don't tell you that and you get killed by a car on your way to CRJ class? At what point does common sense prevail? Both pilots had access to the AFM and many other materials including operating limitations and stardard procedures for operating the CRJ. A professional pilot would want to know these things. This crash (crash, not accident) happened because two pilots would rather clown around when noone was watching than obey the rules. That they did this only when noone was watching speaks volumes about their (lack of) maturity and character. Why should NWA or Bombardier pay their families a cent for their stupidity?

 

[lonelyguy]

Pinnacle Crash

What the hell is embarrassing about speaking the truth?

DITTO

 

[405]

If these two now DEAD PILOTS had flown this like the dispatcher filed it for them, they'd be alive today. I guess the moral of the story is not to treat a repo or a ferry flight like a Friday Night in a hotrod like Nancy said.

 

[IFlyFL410]

"The cause of the crash hasn't determined." Where have these writers been??? Rather apparent to me what the cause of the crash was.

 

[Sig]

If these two now DEAD PILOTS had flown this like the dispatcher filed it for them, they'd be alive today.

Bang on.

Loss is loss is loss, in this case these guys lost their lives and we're playing MMQB- but we're right and they're dead.

Nobody owes their families anything more than our condolences, and from me that's in spades.

 

[Uppercrust]

This is the problem with our legal system; two guys screw around and die. Its not their fault, its NWA, GE and Bombardier's faults. Hit 'em law suits and settle out of court because its easier for the companies involved. Why isn't the FO's family sueing the Captain's family? Because there is no money in the Rhode's checking account! I would be embarrassed if I was part of one of these families.

Here's the story: http://www.startribune.com/535/story/178952.html

I doubt it was their training.

 

[Butters]

If these two now DEAD PILOTS had flown this like the dispatcher filed it for them, they'd be alive today. I guess the moral of the story is not to treat a repo or a ferry flight like a Friday Night in a hotrod like Nancy said.

"Aww, f*ck dude... they never would have made it to 4-1-0 then. Dude, what matters more? Your plan or 4-1-0? Aww, dude..."



405 you are right on. Following the dispatcher's plan or having one pax on board and those moron's wouldn't have balled that thing up. Stupid is as stupid does, unfortunately.