Pinnacle Buying Colgan

[suupah]

I'm happy to know you all are so concerned about us. However, a little too concerned. You really should just be honest about this with yourselves and us and say what you're really worried about, YOU. That's fair and valid but don't veil your concern for your own job security with fake concern over what happens to all us good old boys and girsl at Colgan. We'll take care of ourselves.

And you must be kidding about "these things don't happen at an ALPA carrier" right? Did I miss the sarcasm?

exactly

 

[TurboAWD]

It is this kind of infighting that has allowed airline mgmt to turn this proffession into a crappy career.

Thanks for continuing to give mgmt the upper hand.

Turbo

 

[Fred Rogers]

It is this kind of infighting that has allowed airline mgmt to turn this proffession into a crappy career.

Thanks for continuing to give mgmt the upper hand.

Turbo

I would like to agree with this point. It really frustrates me to hear people getting all wound up, calling us scabs, go-jets, and what not. We really were just trying to go to work and do a good job and BAM life changed. No one was expecting this. Colgan has been around a long time and has, to my knowledge, never stepped on anyone's toes. We have a truly great group of people and I have enjoyed working here with them. I've jumpseated with Pinnacle on several occasions and they were always really fantastic. I have no reason to believe that we cannot get along well with all our money going to the same place. We Colgan pilots were enjoying life and now, are not all that excited about having to change. We liked things the way they were and now our cage is being rattled. We are going to have to deal with it one way or another. And We Will. Please, everyone, remember who the good folks are. They are us. No one wants to see anyone else get screwed on either side.

Just my two cents. Best of luck to ALL.

 

[30West]

It is this kind of infighting that has allowed airline mgmt to turn this proffession into a crappy career.

Thanks for continuing to give mgmt the upper hand.

Turbo

Bingo. This thing is only a few days old and everyone is already throwing poo at each other.
Management wins.

Luckily, both pilot groups are much larger than what we see here.

 

[vectorvictor]

Godfather: You are the voice of reason as always. For the record you missed a bit on future knowledge of this announcement.

Lear70: I appreciate your opinion and I think you are trying to help everyone involved. The problem is the Colgan folks (including myself) aren't really ready to hear what you have to say yet.

If managment reads this stuff they must sleep easy at night. We've spent 19 pages of drivvel trying to point the finger at exactly who is being beaten and who is holding the stick.

 

[Lear70]

If managment reads this stuff they must sleep easy at night. We've spent 19 pages of drivvel trying to point the finger at exactly who is being beaten and who is holding the stick.

Heh heh... no doubt. *whack*!!!

What a visual, thanks for the laugh this morning.

(visual image of Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' - "If don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat ??!!" *All in all you're just... another brick in the wall*

 

[Snaab]

I would like to agree with this point. It really frustrates me to hear people getting all wound up, calling us scabs, go-jets, and what not. We really were just trying to go to work and do a good job and BAM life changed. No one was expecting this. Colgan has been around a long time and has, to my knowledge, never stepped on anyone's toes. We have a truly great group of people and I have enjoyed working here with them. I've jumpseated with Pinnacle on several occasions and they were always really fantastic. I have no reason to believe that we cannot get along well with all our money going to the same place. We Colgan pilots were enjoying life and now, are not all that excited about having to change. We liked things the way they were and now our cage is being rattled. We are going to have to deal with it one way or another. And We Will. Please, everyone, remember who the good folks are. They are us. No one wants to see anyone else get screwed on either side.

Just my two cents. Best of luck to ALL.

Well said, Fred!

-Snaab

 

[suupah]

ditto.

 

[Godfather]

Attention Colgan Hommies

Monday Peanuckle/Culligan Conference Call # is up at you know where

CC starts at 11:30 AM and 16:30 on Monday

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...

NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY IS TO POST THE NUMBER OR PASSCODE ON THE INTERNET ANYWHERE ESPECIALLY HERE OR I'M SENDING LUCCA BRAZI, UNCLE PAULIE, SIL, UNCLE P*SSY AND FURIO AFTER YOU....CAPICE?

PM ME OR IF YOU HAVE MY SECRET DECODER # CALL ME IF YOU NEED ANY ASSISTANCE WITH THIS...

WILL DISCUSS THIS FURTHER LATER ON...NOW BACK TO YOUR REGULAR SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING.

 

[bertengineer]

Yes I am standing on the sidelines as many of my fellow soilders are at Colgan. We don't know what the hell is going on. If they intend to use us in some way to screw the pinnacle pilots then yeah we will listen about this foreign to us union stuff. Until we see something change in our everyday lives however we don't care.

George....that is how I feel everyday when I come to work here at 9e. I stand on the sidelines to see what games are being played, who is B!tch!ng about what, How many have quit or moved on to bigger and better things...I just want to fly, have my office in the sky, and when I turn 60 (65) say Bye Bye!

 

[usav8or]

Things to think about from the 1/22 AM conference call:

1) This is all new to me, but why are 9E pilots so worried about from 9L pilots? You guys are the ones with the scope contract and obviously have more resources to expand into US CO and UA markets, and have had a Saab program in the past.

Colgan has talked about jets in the past, but realisticly, they couldn't keep up with them. As long as the "Family" is in charge I wouldn't worry. When "the forseable future" is expiring that's when things are going to change. I'd have a plan in place for that inevitability, but rest assured we will have nothing to say about it.

If you are really sincere about how 9L crews are treated over the next couple of years and how it relates to your relationship to PCL my advice would be to talk to us as equals that are inexperienced with the ways of ALPA and what both groups need to do for each other. Just staying off the radar scope isn't enough anymore, welcome to reality.

2) On a conference call relating to our purchase by PCL and what it means to us is not the time to be asking about what bases are opening and which out-station is going to fly the route. Come on, there is a time and place for questions like that, but not on this call. It makes us look petty and small. If I were a Pinnacle pilot I would not be impressed at our performance if all I knew of 9L pilots came from this call.

The time to only be looking at our own little world within Colgan is over and it's time to start looking at the big picture. We cannot soley rely on info from Manassas anymore, they don't the final word anymore.

Personally, I don't like unions but they do have there place in this industry and in these situations.

 

[Lear70]

Things to think about from the 1/22 AM conference call:

1) This is all new to me, but why are 9E pilots so worried about from 9L pilots? You guys are the ones with the scope contract and obviously have more resources to expand into US CO and UA markets, and have had a Saab program in the past.

Because Nonconnah has, in the past, REPEATEDLY proven they will get around the contract every single possible tiny way they can, even if it ruins their good will with the pilot group over pennies.

Just a fact, and the PCL pilots probably are going on past experience and anticipating the worst.

Personally, I don't like unions but they do have there place in this industry and in these situations.

Sad, but true.

Good luck!

 

[CoATP]

PCL pilots probably are going on past experience and anticipating the worst.

And Ye shall be rarely disappointed and surprised by the results. "Nonconnah" is Memphis talk for "lieing is a way of life."

 

[Mr Wu]

It might be a little easier to deal with you guys and talk about union issues if I knew that your MEC was not, at this very moment, revising the scope proposal in the next contract that will probably try to limit the size and mumber of aircraft that Colgan can fly. If you say that they are not doing this, then they should all be fired because they are not doing what you are paying them for - protecting your work group. If they really are not doing this then they should be fired anyway because what good are they?

 

[another cfii]

I hope at least Colgan pilots won't have to wear our headpin, the CFIT satellite dish... At least our FOM says hats are optional..

BTW, do you guys wear your hats in the Saab and 1900? Just don't want to bring down our level of professionalism, ya know?