Pinnacle Air Services

[Bae146]

Hey MCJohn,

Sounds like a nice outfit except for the salaries. Any word on if these will go up to at least NBAA average instead of below average. Also what about the JetRide guys making more than this amount will there salaries be dropped to match you guys????

 

[mcjohn]

Whoops! You have the wrong guy. Redirect to Downwind I think.

I wish I had a real job.

 

[Downwind]

Current salaries, irregardless of buyer or buyee, SHOULD NOT drop. Hopefully ours will come up to match yours.

Good luck to the guys on the other side. Remember, if it does come down to staple staple, which we hope it doesn't, our pilot group had NOTHING to do with it. This is entirely in the hands of management.

 

[Bae146]

No worries here about the pilot group, and stapling senority as long as i get a check. That is good about the salaries but dont worry we dont make sh1t either maybe 1 or 2 thousand more than 70,000..which really sucks....about 10,000 lower than nbaa average...maybe as a larger group we can ask/demand more fom them...

 

[Check 6]

Question

Why is Jetride still running ads for LR35/60 pilots if they may be bought out?

Is this the left hand and right hand not talking, or aviation employment web sites that run ads on their own?

 

[XJETDriver]

...and a hell of a lot better than the regionals. We start our FO's at $35K and 4 bars can get you up to near $70K on the 60.

Wow...what a joke!! Better?? Please tell me how?? And yes I am from NWA Arkansas and I know a lot of people in ASG. Nelson....yeah he is a great guy!!

 

[Downwind]

Better in my opinion. I'm not going to stick around at Pinnacle or XJet for 10 years. When I was offered the job at XJ in 2004 the first year was $17 and some change. Bad medical and worse bases. Upgrade running 5 years and FO maxing out in the low $30's.

Pinnacle offered base of $35K with 9K extra for road pay so $44K. Add in per diem extra and I'm in the $50K range with a type that will get me another job if I need it. Upgrade in 18-24 months to $65K base plus 9K road pay and I'm gross $74 plus annual raises (it's not much but there) and per diem and a two year captain is $77-80. It doesn't go up much from there now (no idea what fleet expansion will be) but it is there now and I'm not sticking around either for a decade. Plus I base where I want. Anywhere.

So yeah, it was a hell of a lot better for me. I have bills to pay. If I had taken the job that Bubba and Dawn offered I would be making $33K right now with a raise in June to $35K. So again, a lot better.

 

[D-Jumbo]

Downwind, very nice and informative post. As far as the DO and the company are concerned, I couldn't agree with you more. I just recently left from Pinnacle to go to a much bigger outfit, I sure mis working for Pinnacle and flying the learjet.
The DO (Xjetdriver - no names please) is a good guy; he is a hard-working and very honest guy, who is fair to the pilots but on the other hand needs to stand-up and answer for his actions to the owners, the two sometimes don't mix. As Downwind said, as long as you are honest and don't knowingly go outside the FOM, the DO will support you, if you don't he will rip you a new one. They will never ask you to fly anything that doesn't comply with the FAR's and/or the FOM.

Just my two cents. I very much enjoyed my 1 1/2 years at the company and would have absolutely no reservations to go back there.

Chears!!

 

[Rake]

How's the new job D-Jumbo? Things are a changing here. It should be good, we'll see.

 

[XJETDriver]

...When I was offered the job at XJ in 2004 the first year was $17 and some change. Bad medical and worse bases. Upgrade running 5 years and FO maxing out in the low $30's.

So yeah, it was a hell of a lot better for me. I have bills to pay. If I had taken the job that Bubba and Dawn offered I would be making $33K right now with a raise in June to $35K. So again, a lot better.

XJ?? I dont know anything about Mesaba. But I do know about XJT. Yeah, first year pay at Pinnacle would be better. But, the upgrade time is the same here at XJT. When you upgrade, pay would be better here and you would not have to put up with all the BS. So again, I really dont see why it would be a "hell of a lot better".

 

[Downwind]

D-Jumbo,

Good luck at the new gig and don't forget us little guys! Have fun.

 

[iLR60Mac]

Paths chosen, boys. Paths chosen.

 

[J3 Guy]

North West Arkansas was famous in the past for low pilot wages, usually from all the retired military pilots. They wanted to still fly, while they receive the retirement and did not care what they were paid. Hopefully things are turning around.
By the way, does anybody know anyone that actually makes the upper pay scales in the surveys?
I have only known maybe one person in the past 20 years that has come close.

J3

 

[FL410guy]

There many questions that are racing through jetride. Hopefully some of you at Pinnacle can address a few of them. Concerning your schedule, are you guys doing a 3 pilot rotation with the plane gone the entire time or does the plane come back to its base after trips? What locatations do you have assigned as bases? What type of equipment do you guys have and what are the plans for the future. Will you guys move into LCK new facilities with who's managment. Seems as if JetRide managment will say aidos to the pilots and go there own way with Airnet. What really concerns me is quality of life. How much time does one actually spend at home. We work a 14 days on call where we can be home at least half of the time on average. Being gone a straight 14 days is a long time to be gone especially if your only pulling in 70K. I heard that the signing was going to be today.... is this true???

This may very well be a good thing to happen but at the same time it pisses me off that nobody will fill us in on whats going on. Since you guys are a privately owned maybe someone can shead some light on the issue.

 

[FL410guy]

This comes from a creditable sorce... We should hear something sometime between now and monday. It seems that everyone will benifit from this merger. Pinnalce pilots pay will be leveled with ours with little increase. Good for them. Jetride will remain normal with little change. It seems that LCK will be PA's new head quarters as far as the dispatch goes. I'm curious how they are going to work out the management positions. Seems as if they are going to use the jetride infrastructure. Well see what happens