Pinnacle Air Services

[TennLear60]

This is what our management has told us as a certainty. It seems very fair. They told us that it was a condition of sale in the deal.

If they are lying, everyone at JR and Nelson can kiss my ass. I'll be gone like a fart in the wind.

I'm sorry to see that you PA guys seemingly haven't been told anything about what's coming up. It seems they haven't been informing you like the JR guys are us.

Again, though, the JR guys could be lying... but they will pay seriously for that, and I think they know it.

It's all a conspiracy.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Example this last trip hear to ASE from HOU I dutied us on at 9 AM CT flew 2.5 to ASE dutied us off about 45 minutes after block in fax in my paper work and went to the hotel done the only call is to a machine turning in my aircraft times my block in time my duty off time and when I will be leagal, so that dispatch can listen to the message and not bother me while I am in rest. Very seldome do we ever need approval to duty off they don't like the idea of us just sitting around an airport waiting. I guess it is looked at like well the sooner you are off the sooner you can come back on.

The above mentioned way of doing things sux IMHO.....The example you gave makes you legal for duty again around 9:15PM MT. That means you could get called for an all nighter, and if you are like me; you did not sleep during the 10 hours of rest during daylight hours.

In the example mentioned, Jetride would keep us on duty till 7 or 8PM that night and then we would get the 10 hours rest so we could not get called in the middle of the night. Before anyone responds with a smart a$$ remark, I am well aware ASE is a daytime only airport. I am using the above example to cover all siutations.

I can only speak for myself on this one, but hardly ever look forward to Dispatch calling at 12AM or 1AM for an upcoming duty day starting at 2 or 3AM.

 

[Dave J]

why should a company be expected to pay their pilots extra money to do their job.

I think we all would like to see the day pay go away and the money made off of that be added to a straight salery

 

[starcheckdriver]

I know there has been a lot of talk of salaries between the two companies. Just curious....

What does a Pinnacle Lear 60 SIC and PIC make? I spoke to a Pinnacle Lr-60 FO who told me he was salaried at $37,000. I was shocked!

Most Jetride SICs start at $52,000 and get a 3% raise each year. Most Jetride are salaried at $70,000-$72,000 and get 3% raise each year. In fact, here is what is published on the Airnet/Jetride website:

Lear 31/35:

SIC 32,960 - 41,200
PIC 51,500 - 61,800

Lear 60

SIC 41,200 - 61,800
PIC 64,300 - 75,700

Gulfstream III

SIC 76,000 - 85,000
PIC 85,000 - 110,000

 

[Dave J]

The above mentioned way of doing things sux IMHO.....The example you gave makes you legal for duty again around 9:15PM MT. That means you could get called for an all nighter, and if you are like me; you did not sleep during the 10 hours of rest during daylight hours.

In the example mentioned, Jetride would keep us on duty till 7 or 8PM that night and then we would get the 10 hours rest so we could not get called in the middle of the night. Before anyone responds with a smart a$$ remark, I am well aware ASE is a daytime only airport. I am using the above example to cover all siutations.

I can only speak for myself on this one, but hardly ever look forward to Dispatch calling at 12AM or 1AM for an upcoming duty day starting at 2 or 3AM.

I wasn't going to go there with the ASE thing it was understood it was an example. but in as long as I have been here I can't remember that happening except when we had a contract with net jets because we had one plane that did a lot of recovery trips for them but it was only one plane but we don't any more so it just doesn't happen

 

[Dave J]

I know there has been a lot of talk of salaries between the two companies. Just curious....

What does a Pinnacle Lear 60 SIC and PIC make? I spoke to a Pinnacle Lr-60 FO who told me he was salaried at $37,000. I was shocked!

Most Jetride SICs start at $52,000 and get a 3% raise each year. Most Jetride are salaried at $70,000-$72,000 and get 3% raise each year. In fact, here is what is published on the Airnet/Jetride website:

Lear 31/35:

SIC 32,960 - 41,200
PIC 51,500 - 61,800

Lear 60

SIC 41,200 - 61,800
PIC 64,300 - 75,700

Gulfstream III

SIC 76,000 - 85,000
PIC 85,000 - 110,000

The 37000 is correct but that is a base pay and well day pay varies between based pilots and road pilots so since we are speaking of the 60 and all 60 pilots are on the road the FO you spoke with will make 37000 + another 9000 maybe 10000 in day pay because his day pay starts from the day he airlines to the plane and runs until he airlines home this is on the average 15 to 16 days each month there for his yearly pay is 46k to 47k. Same goes for the Capt starting base 66k + 9 to 10 K = 75 to 76 a year. Now the ASG based guys have same base but day pay in varieable and doesn't start until you spend a night out so if you do a one day turn no day pay this $ucks for them yet do a short hop leave monday fly and hour stay the night and return the next day and you get day pay for both days. Leave the next day and the cycle start all over again because you returned to home base. The poor guys could fly every day for a week out and back they would get no day pay because it is based on staying a night so the more consecutive nights away from home the more day pay. I hope this made sence. It is also not based on if you fly or just sit only on being away from home guess that is why it is called day pay and not flight pay

 

[macpilot]

no, just one day.

for the jet ride pilots, Can we be included in the emails and confrence calls.
.

 

[Dave J]

You are correct, you cannot bid for a particular hotel, only the star level and the location. What I normally do is check orbitz for hotels in the area and prices. As a general rule of thumb you should bid 40-50 percent less than the sugested RETAIL price. There are alot of "little things" to using priceline that you need to understand. I no longer work for Pinnacle, but I would be happy to talk with you. PM your phone # and I'll call you.

M you back to child molestations asking for phone #'s on the net. I thought you went and got some help. LOL and no I am not ref starchecker as being a child I am just messing with great lakes cause i am borred and need to get the hell out of here

 

[starcheckdriver]

I agree with MNR on his comments about JR's 14-on/7-off cycle and PA's 14/14 cycle. I was on the 14/7 cycle for about 6 months before going to the 8/6 reserve schedule. I was home about 16-18 days a month on the 14/7 cycle. That's because a lot of the trips were day trips and a lot of days entailed being on-call in my house.

If I am on-call and not flying, I would much rather do that in my house than a hotel room. But, I can see the trade-off for the 14/14 because I think that would mean that I can live wherever I want. Is this how it works at PA right now?

Just some more communication to put out for the PA guys....We were told in a conference call that the business plan is to put most, if not all aircraft on the basing system that JR currently has. This means they try to bring the aircraft back to base after every trip and that the pilots assigned to that aircraft have to live in base. With this setup, a 14/7 makes sense since it allows for an easy 3-pilot rotation on the plane and you are home more.

Whether they use that system after the deal closes is for all to see....

 

[AirplanesSuck]

MacPilot,

Ask Debbie Hutton (I think that's her name). She's on a lot of the calls lately. I don't see why you guys couldn't get on board here. A lot of it has been JR-specific, and the "two-companies-together" stuff has been a little more vague. But, still better than nothing. Or, I don't know why Wynn Peterson (the new boss above DO's for ALL of us) couldn't have a Pinnacle Pilot conference call. If you guys wanna do it, start shakin' the tree.