Pinnacle 11-09 out.

[xjgearbtch]

The same business that got the entire Saab fleet parked?

Never put a SAAB into the ground. I'll stand by that business model, for the rest of my career. Enough said.

Or a drainage ditch.....

 

[xjhawk]

Just shut the f*ck up. I don't see any XJ and 9L guys getting downgraded on this list.. in fact, I see quite a few upgrades system wide.

You can try to hold hands and sing kumbaya if you like... but the truth of the matter is that a crime is being committed. A systematic theft of career progression of all Pinnacle pilots hired in 2007 and beyond.

So please, your false platitudes make the bile rise in my throat. Enough.

LEAVE jerk

 

[Theoden]

This thing is almost 20 pages long, how the heck do you even schedule this much training? I guess its spread out over a long time but wow. We are in a lot of trouble with DL. The fate of this company rides on the successful implamentation of this award. No pressure!

For selfish reasons, I would like to see this tri blob of ours become a good and successful place.

 

[Yodafly]

So I have a question about the awards.

If Colgan is below the Q400 Captain quota, why are there premerger Pinnacle and Mesaba pilots being awarded Q Captain. Don't get me wrong I think all the Quota's should be dropped for all airframes. I am just trying to make some since of all this.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Because they are at thier quota, so the added vacancies are open to anyone by seniority.

 

[Flyer1015]

Vegas can be explained, but what is this Hawaii discussion? That's new.

No, Vegas cannot be explained. Unless the message that the 9E committee was trying to say is that we're willing to gamble this whole process away, which it seems they did anyway. Why would our committee want to meet at LAS or Hawaii for any of the meetings? They are there to negotiate a SLI, not hit the slot machines or the Hawaiian beaches.

 

[higney85]

No, Vegas cannot be explained. Unless the message that the 9E committee was trying to say is that we're willing to gamble this whole process away, which it seems they did anyway. Why would our committee want to meet at LAS or Hawaii for any of the meetings? They are there to negotiate a SLI, not hit the slot machines or the Hawaiian beaches.

$40/night and free conference rooms. Kinda hard to find that elsewhere.

I have no idea what the Hawaii thing is.

 

[Flyer1015]

Where in Vegas did you find $40/night plus conference room?

 

[altimaklr]

More like $40 hookers and free bud lights after a quick pow-wow

 

[DoinTime]

Where in Vegas did you find $40/night plus conference room?

Try off the strip in January. Everything in Vegas is cheap in January.

 

[Flyer1015]

Ok great. Instead of negotiating, our side was busy studying hotel pamphlets off the Vegas strip. Yet another reason that helps explain our crappy award.

 

[DoinTime]

Ok great. Instead of negotiating, our side was busy studying hotel pamphlets off the Vegas strip. Yet another reason that helps explain our crappy award.

Negotiating what?

 

[higney85]

Ok great. Instead of negotiating, our side was busy studying hotel pamphlets off the Vegas strip. Yet another reason that helps explain our crappy award.

You are aware that the merger guys didn't negotiate in Vegas right? You are talking about an MEC meeting. It was a $5K savings doing it in Vegas vs. MEM due to hotels and food costs.

I asked the merger guys and they did MEM and DC (MSA picked those), and PHX (CJC picked that). PCL didn't pick a spot and were willing to go wherever. Nobody ever went to hawaii (MEC or Merger).

Look, I know you are angry, but I think you are still at the "Anger Step"

Here is the grief model called "The 7 Stages of Grief":
7 Stages of Grief...

1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

2. PAIN & GUILT-
As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.
You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn't do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.

3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.
You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be "talked out of it" by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.
During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.

7 Stages of Grief...

5. THE UPWARD TURN-
As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your "depression" begins to lift slightly.

6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.

7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.
7 stages of grief...
You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.

 

[CptMurf]

PCL didn't pick a spot and were willing to go wherever. Nobody ever went to hawaii (MEC or Merger).

They did however propose meetings. One proposal was on a cruise ship, because it would be a quiet setting away from everyone. I agree though that none of the outlandish proposal were accepted, and all meetings were in a professional setting.

 

[higney85]

They did however propose meetings. One proposal was on a cruise ship, because it would be a quiet setting away from everyone. I agree though that none of the outlandish proposal were accepted, and all meetings were in a professional setting.

I actually think a cruise ship could be good. As long as you have a conference room. It's a new way of "lock em in a room" since you won't have cell coverage out there.

I'm not saying I agree, just saying it would be a form of isolation that is hard to come by in today's mobile world.

I'm still trying to figure out where this Hawaii thing is coming from.

 

[CptMurf]

I actually think a cruise ship could be good. As long as you have a conference room. It's a new way of "lock em in a room" since you won't have cell coverage out there.

I'm not saying I agree, just saying it would be a form of isolation that is hard to come by in today's mobile world.

I'm still trying to figure out where this Hawaii thing is coming from.

I've never seen or heard Hawaii, it may have morphed from the cruise ship proposal.

 

[1.3XVso]

Captain smuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrf

 

[Flyprdu]

I'm experiencing the levels of grief from all that Comic Sans font.

 

[snap145]

mmm....I cant wait to see an 08 Colgan "Captain" get paired up with a REAL 9E FO that was hired before him in the same flight deck...this is a joke and anyone that cant see that is blind...9E pilots got the shaft as usual...tuck your chests back in everyone there are some seeking legal advice through private resources...there is nothing right about this...we had our own airline stolen from under our noses...you know it and we know...stop trying to play nice and for God sakes stop calling yourself a Pinnacle pilot...9 months ago we were all just crazy arrogant rednecks and you wanted nothing to do with this name and know all of us sudden "WE ARE ALL PINNACLE PILOTS"..you may wear the uniform now..and you may get to fly our airplanes and your ID may even say Pinnacle and you may say Flagship on the air...but make no mistake you are who you are and your not a Pinnacle pilot...and every one of us knows it...cant wait to fly with you...enjoy my upgrade...

 

[bri5150]

mmm....I cant wait to see an 08 Colgan "Captain" get paired up with a REAL 9E FO that was hired before him in the same flight deck...this is a joke and anyone that cant see that is blind...9E pilots got the shaft as usual...tuck your chests back in everyone there are some seeking legal advice through private resources...there is nothing right about this...we had our own airline stolen from under our noses...you know it and we know...stop trying to play nice and for God sakes stop calling yourself a Pinnacle pilot...9 months ago we were all just crazy arrogant rednecks and you wanted nothing to do with this name and know all of us sudden "WE ARE ALL PINNACLE PILOTS"..you may wear the uniform now..and you may get to fly our airplanes and your ID may even say Pinnacle and you may say Flagship on the air...but make no mistake you are who you are and your not a Pinnacle pilot...and every one of us knows it...cant wait to fly with you...enjoy my upgrade...

First of, I am glad I am not an original Pinnacle pilot. It seems the only thing I could do on this board is complain and call people names. As far as who I work for now, I am a pilot on the Pinnacle holdings seniority list and will soon work for Pinnacle Airlines. If I am not a Pinnacle pilot, I guess I don't know what I am. It is too bad it sounds like you will take this into the cockpit. That can't be a real safe attitude.