"Pilots don't mind making $16,000 per year because it's a stepping stone."

[pilotyip]

Ah! FI at it s finest name calling to solve every problem. How can one not love this?

 

[Browntothebone]

You are absolutely clueless! No RJ FO will be earning 50 grand. Several regional carriers have 10 year upgrades...Eagle, Horizon, Comair, and going up all the time with no end in sight. There will be 12 year upgrades soon at Eagle and Comair. How you could not have a problem with these 1st year RJ pilots earning 16K is total ignorance. You know some Regional new hires already "paid their dues" prior to hiring on with their current carrier, but due to a lack of PIC, and major carriers not hiring, plus how most of the domestic flights are operated by the regionals while mainline shrinks, couldn't get any other job but a scumbag regional job. RJ FO's after 3 years on the job should be earning a minimum of 60 grand.

Plus the intern and residents you seem to think have it so rough are only going to go through that once, and for a fixed time and then they will all be guaranteed a good life, without ever having to start at the bottom again. That is why we need to start being paid for our experience on this job.

They can if you include perdiem.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Ah! FI at it s finest name calling to solve every problem. How can one not love this?

Ah! Stupidity at its finest! I love it!
Go fly for free, moron!

 

[pilotyip]

Ah! Stupidity at its finest! I love it!
Go fly for free, moron!

Thanks for the support, got 3.1 hours and 2 landing this weekend in the B-17, only cost me the gas and food to get there for the weekend. Still living the dream, ougth to come over and join us.

 

[Herkdrv]

This is almost as nauseating to watch as "The Real Housewives of New Jersey"!uke:

Or your avatar :erm:

 

[pipejockey]

Ah! Stupidity at its finest! I love it!
Go fly for free, moron!

I'm sure pilotyip would be a great guy to meet up with at the local airport and go fly some warbirds with, and hangar talk about the good old days, and boy how I wish I could travel back to those days, but he and far too many other pilots for my taste are just too content with the current pay structures that exist today. It's one thing to pay some 20 something that couldn't fly a jet out of a paper bag if it were not for the guy to his left, these current RJ FO rates. But when you have companies like Eagle, Horizon and Comair with 10 year upgrades, why should guys with several thousand hours of experience be stuck at 30-40 grand a year due to the misfortune of being at 1 of the carriers that do not, and will not ever provide some sort of career path to the left seat prior to 40 years of age. And by the time they get the PIC time to even remotely qualify for the minute number of mainline jobs that become available, they are far too old to be attractive to mainline, and if by chance a few of these 40+ yo guys were to get hired, they will never get to the left seat at mainline.

There is no good reason that ALPA can't negotiate for some sort of system that would allow any RJ pilot that has 3 full years on the job, but still does not have the seniority to hold CA, to be grandfathered to 4th year CA pay upon entering his 4th year of employment. It is the only just and fair thing to do, and for management to fuss about that, would be tantamount to a slap in the face to every experienced RJ FO out there. And the 4th year CA pay would be frozen until that time the FO could upgrade, and then pay would snap back up to his actual number of years on the job. I just don't know how anyone can say that FO pay is a livable pay structure. A professional airline pilot should not have to sacrifice having a wife, family, home, and child if he chooses to have those things. But on the 2,000 to 2,500 a month RJ FO's are netting, you cannot have your own home anywhere near most of the domiciles out there.

For all you people out there living in your fantasy land of lollipops and gumdrops, can you not agree that RJ FO's ought to be able to provide for a family? We aren't walmart greeters, or fast food workers, or school bus drivers....we are airline pilots with a significant investment in time and money for this job.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I'm sure pilotyip would be a great guy to meet up with at the local airport and go fly some warbirds with, and hangar talk about the good old days, and boy how I wish I could travel back to those days, but he and far too many other pilots for my taste are just too content with the current pay structures that exist today. It's one thing to pay some 20 something that couldn't fly a jet out of a paper bag if it were not for the guy to his left, these current RJ FO rates. But when you have companies like Eagle, Horizon and Comair with 10 year upgrades, why should guys with several thousand hours of experience be stuck at 30-40 grand a year due to the misfortune of being at 1 of the carriers that do not, and will not ever provide some sort of career path to the left seat prior to 40 years of age. And by the time they get the PIC time to even remotely qualify for the minute number of mainline jobs that become available, they are far too old to be attractive to mainline, and if by chance a few of these 40+ yo guys were to get hired, they will never get to the left seat at mainline.

There is no good reason that ALPA can't negotiate for some sort of system that would allow any RJ pilot that has 3 full years on the job, but still does not have the seniority to hold CA, to be grandfathered to 4th year CA pay upon entering his 4th year of employment. It is the only just and fair thing to do, and for management to fuss about that, would be tantamount to a slap in the face to every experienced RJ FO out there. And the 4th year CA pay would be frozen until that time the FO could upgrade, and then pay would snap back up to his actual number of years on the job. I just don't know how anyone can say that FO pay is a livable pay structure. A professional airline pilot should not have to sacrifice having a wife, family, home, and child if he chooses to have those things. But on the 2,000 to 2,500 a month RJ FO's are netting, you cannot have your own home anywhere near most of the domiciles out there.

For all you people out there living in your fantasy land of lollipops and gumdrops, can you not agree that RJ FO's ought to be able to provide for a family? We aren't walmart greeters, or fast food workers, or school bus drivers....we are airline pilots with a significant investment in time and money for this job.

Nicely put!
Unfortunately there are too many pilotyip's in the world who are willing to "pay to play," or fly for free because they just love it so much, or consider it a "second job" or a hobby!
Until morons like him stop doing it, nothing will change, ever!

 

[pilotyip]

Come up with a solution

Nicely put!
Unfortunately there are too many pilotyip's in the world who are willing to "pay to play," or fly for free because they just love it so much, or consider it a "second job" or a hobby!
Until morons like him stop doing it, nothing will change, ever!

Lots of complaints, but no one offer solutions to an industry driven by the consumer of their product. Name-calling and blame is easy, solutions are not. I have challenged posters on this sight many times to offer solutions, but have yet hear anyone come up with solution to go back to the good ole days without reestablishing Regulation. Which would be good for a few and bad for most. How about a meaningful discussion beyond saying pilotyip and ASA, etc, are the causes of the industry’s downfall. I bear no ill will.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Lots of complaints, but no one offer solutions to an industry driven by the consumer of their product.

The solution is for dickheads like you to stop working for free, and calling this a "hobby," or a "side job." Stop taking jobs, let alone in management of the "USA Jet's" around the world.

Name-calling and blame is easy, solutions are not. I have challenged posters on this sight many times to offer solutions, but have yet hear anyone come up with solution to go back to the good ole days without reestablishing Regulation.

I just offererd you 2 solutions. It appears that you are more part of the problem!

Which would be good for a few and bad for most. How about a meaningful discussion beyond saying pilotyip and ASA, etc, are the causes of the industry’s downfall. I bear no ill will.

I just gave you one.

 

[pilotyip]

So my flying Warbirds for free is the cause of the airline industry going down the tubes, if not where else am I flying for free?