Pilot sticks it to mgmt!!!!

[G21Agoose]

Better brush up on your insurance law there sonny. Insurance does not cover intentional torts. So the insurance rates will not and cannot be increased due to this settlement. Looks like you missed out on a good public education as well.

France also has one of the worst unemployment rates of any industrialized country out there. The people in France would piss themselves to have an unemployment rate of 5% like we have in the US.

Got an other misguided socialist garbage to sling at us?

French literacy rate 99%
US literacy rate 95%

CIA Factbook

 

[Spooky 1]

Ignorant right seater,

NAA is a government contractor (your taxes) as well as the insurance increases for such a settlement affecting your life....I live in France, and the taxes are high, but they have the best public education in the world....something I'm sorry you missed out on.[/q

G21Agoose is amazing. If it was not enough insulting me here on the public forum, he even sent me a private message doing the very same with a little twist to it. WTF is wrong with this guy? We had a earlier series of posts regarding a Grumman Goose accident where he insisted that we were refering to the Chalks accident. His confusion there was understandable, but his attitude displayed here is really strange.

For the record, I spend considerable time in France each year and have found the citizens to be pretty much like everyone else in the world. Some good. Some bad. As for my education, well it's not much I'm afraid, but it served me well during my last forty-five years making a living off of avaition. Nuf said.

 

[G21Agoose]

Sorry,

But jury awards are out of control and IT DOES affect us all- these awards are passed down to us in the long run.

 

[Dangerkitty]

French literacy rate 99%
US literacy rate 95%

CIA Factbook

First of all, what the hell is a "CIA Factbook?"

Second of all, where in the hell did I say anything about literacy rates?

Oh I see, you can't argue my points so you just dodge the questions and try to get out of the hole you have dug. You dont have the intellect to debate so lets just try to throw in some useless non-verified stat to try to look smart.

But since you are trying to look all tough and smart I guess it is my job to show everyone here what an absolute moron you are.

The population of the USA is 296,000,000 people.
The population of France is 61,000,000 people.

France has a population 1/5th the size of the USA. If your little "CIA Factbook" stat was true it would make sense that the literacy rate would be smaller in the USA than in France. Becuase with having 4/5ths more people and exposure to illiteracy the USA would have a greater chance of having more illiterate people. As a whole and as a percentage.

Looks like your high taxes are showing a poorer rate of return by the minute. Don't they teach you Frogs statistics in France?

However, keep the idiotic statements coming. It's really fun debating with a clueless uneducated arrogant Frog.

 

[G21Agoose]

First of all, what the hell is a "CIA Factbook?"

Second of all, where in the hell did I say anything about literacy rates?

Oh I see, you can't argue my points so you just dodge the questions and try to get out of the hole you have dug. You dont have the intellect to debate so lets just try to throw in some useless non-verified stat to try to look smart.

But since you are trying to look all tough and smart I guess it is my job to show everyone here what an absolute moron you are.

The population of the USA is 296,000,000 people.
The population of France is 61,000,000 people.

France has a population 1/5th the size of the USA. If your little "CIA Factbook" stat was true it would make sense that the literacy rate would be smaller in the USA than in France. Becuase with having 4/5ths more people and exposure to illiteracy the USA would have a greater chance of having more illiterate people. As a whole and as a percentage.

Looks like your high taxes are showing a poorer rate of return by the minute. Don't they teach you Frogs statistics in France?

However, keep the idiotic statements coming. It's really fun debating with a clueless uneducated arrogant Frog.

Whoa Kitty,

Calm down little *************************.

Firstly, I am not French but being referred to as a 'frog' reveals your that I am dealing with a lower intelligence and/or a racist.

Secondly, the CIA Factbook is published by the Central Intelligence Agency and is available in your local library (find a map' it's usually a big building in town)

Lastly, to make the math simple 5% of 296 million = 14.8 million (US)
1% of 61 million = 610,000.

But you fail to understand you still have more illiterates PER CAPITA. UNDERSTAND?

 

[AlbieF15]

Easy on Mega--she's been around this business long enough to know the ups and downs. And you can occassionally spout off without having to be on a period--I'm ovary free and still occassionally shoot from the hip.

As for NAA--they got nailed not to make this captain rich, but to make sure they (and every other chicken-hit outfit out there) understand you cannot compromise safety for expediency. This was a "send a message" judgement. I imagine it will be reduced on appeal. Furloughed Gal is a real attorney--maybe she can pipe in with her opinon.

Final point--Chuck Yogurt--do you EVER post anything positve? Lots of folks here looking for good info...don't know where you work but suspect you have something positive to contribute. Try it--you may like it....

 

[millhouse21]

You are wrong.

OK, thanks.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

How can you guys not think he deserves even more money. I just left the USAF with no guarantees. I took a big risk leaving a very good job with unmatched security. The stress I felt looking for a job was phenomenol. I have a wife and a couple of youngin's at home and they like to eat and sleep indoors. I was hired at Brown and started here the first week of my terminal leave.

This guy lost his job and his livelihood. He had to worry about things like how to pay his bills, feed his family, and find another job. The emotional toll on him and his family had to have been immense. And all of this was because NAA was wrong. They owed him and I hope he gets every penny. This guy should be considered a hero of sorts for standing up the way he did. It's befuddling to me that everyone is taking shots.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

First of all, what the hell is a "CIA Factbook?"

Second of all, where in the hell did I say anything about literacy rates?

Oh I see, you can't argue my points so you just dodge the questions and try to get out of the hole you have dug. You dont have the intellect to debate so lets just try to throw in some useless non-verified stat to try to look smart.

But since you are trying to look all tough and smart I guess it is my job to show everyone here what an absolute moron you are.

The population of the USA is 296,000,000 people.
The population of France is 61,000,000 people.

France has a population 1/5th the size of the USA. If your little "CIA Factbook" stat was true it would make sense that the literacy rate would be smaller in the USA than in France. Becuase with having 4/5ths more people and exposure to illiteracy the USA would have a greater chance of having more illiterate people. As a whole and as a percentage.

Looks like your high taxes are showing a poorer rate of return by the minute. Don't they teach you Frogs statistics in France?

However, keep the idiotic statements coming. It's really fun debating with a clueless uneducated arrogant Frog.

This is perhaps the dumbest defense I have ever heard. "Becuase with having 4/5ths more people and exposure to illiteracy the USA would have a greater chance of having more illiterate people. As a whole and as a percentage" A percentage is just that. Having more people doesn't mean your percentage changes. And throwing out ethnic slurs!!?? That's a smart argument. You're stupid because you're French? Everyone knows the French are stupid because they choose to not bathe, chain smoke, and elect socialists.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

He deserves 12 million because no other air carrier will ever hire him. NAA has very likely ended his aviation career. How much is 30 years of flying plus retirement worth to you?

exactly

 

[canyonblue737]

i like mega too but i can't agree with her stance here either. the award should be equal to the damage, and the damage was/is likely the guys career. in this buisness it is possible to chase the dream to millions and if a company wrongs you to the extent that it is impossible to see that dream through well you should see a payday.

the example of passengers on an airplane suing for millions isn't the same thing, because someone with a bump or just having been scared won't really limit them in terms of their capablity moving forward in time with careers etc. and so a large reward is inappropriate. Obviously a death is something else so no needs to slam that back in my face.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Whoa Kitty,

Calm down little *************************.

Firstly, I am not French but being referred to as a 'frog' reveals your that I am dealing with a lower intelligence and/or a racist.

First of all the term "frog" is not a racist statement. I guess you dont even know what the term racism implies. Being a "frog" does not state nor imply skin color or ethnic heritage.

Secondly, when I got my LR-60 type my partner was a French Citizen. He flew for the French Navy and spent over 25 years there. He hated the French and only went back when he had to. He told me point blank that France has a terrible time with racism. They are one of the biggest racist nations out there. Again, this is not coming from me but from a French national.

And lastly if you are not a frog then why do spend so much time defending that piece of crap country?

Secondly, the CIA Factbook is published by the Central Intelligence Agency and is available in your local library (find a map' it's usually a big building in town)

Thanks, it's also on the internet and I found the info. Too bad you are wrong with the USA numbers. The literacy rate is 97% in the USA. With the sampling of that many people there would easily be a 5%+/- chance of error. So, statistically the rates of literacy in the USA and France are neck and neck. You have nothing to brag about here junior.

Lastly, to make the math simple 5% of 296 million = 14.8 million (US)1% of 61 million = 610,000.

Like I said before you percentages were wrong from the get go. 95% is not an accurate number.

But you fail to understand you still have more illiterates PER CAPITA. UNDERSTAND?

Of course we do you moron because we have more people living here. Thats what PER CAPITA means. All PER CAPITA is is a head count. When you have more people you will have more cases of illiteracy. You still dont know what the hell you are talking about.

Statistically, the US and France have a neck and neck rate of literacy. Sorry but you are going to have to find a different topic to bash the USA with.

Why dont you talk about the rediculous rates of unemployment in France or the rediculous high taxes?

 

[Dangerkitty]

This is perhaps the dumbest defense I have ever heard. "Becuase with having 4/5ths more people and exposure to illiteracy the USA would have a greater chance of having more illiterate people. As a whole and as a percentage" A percentage is just that. Having more people doesn't mean your percentage changes. And throwing out ethnic slurs!!?? That's a smart argument. You're stupid because you're French? Everyone knows the French are stupid because they choose to not bathe, chain smoke, and elect socialists.

Calling someone a frog is not an ethnic slur. Where you got that is beyond me.

I am not going to argue statistics with you. You obviously dont get it.

 

[FN FAL]

Sorry,

But jury awards are out of control and IT DOES affect us all- these awards are passed down to us in the long run.

So how does reducing jury awards prevent corporations, governments and individuals from acting negligently?

Negligent acts create the losses. Put the horse in front of the carriage.

 

[ironspud]

French literacy rate 99%
US literacy rate 95%

CIA Factbook

Yeah, but they can only read French. What good is that?

 

[FN FAL]

Yeah, but they can only read French. What good is that?

You got a point, but at least they translate the MOM's so that you can read them and get your job done.

 

[capt. megadeth]

IF........IF the guy's career is truly over....then MAYBE he may deserve (I am going to say the word that makes me seriously want to vomit) COMPENSATION. I am just so disgusted by the many frivolous lawsuits that I just hear the word "sue", "lawyer", "compensation", etc. and my blood pressure goes up. Everything I have I have worked my a$$ off for. I was not given anything nor do I have the desire to be just given something. I am truly sickened by people's sense of entitlement these days and lack of accountability. It also extremely disturbs me that someone would become a millionaire because unfortunately something $hitty happened to them. I do feel that a lot of juries award amounts of money that are excessive. Of course, every situation is different and I am not necessarily talking about this case in particular.....just overall, I find it all truly sad, out of control and disturbing. In the end, thanks to these people that get rich (lawyers, plaintiffs, etc), all of us pay (increased insurance rates, etc, etc.). Now, after all of that jibber jabber, if you all don't understand my outlook on this, I am not explaining myself further because you just won't understand no matter what I say.

 

[Ill Mitch]

IF........IF the guy's career is truly over....then MAYBE he may deserve (I am going to say the word that makes me seriously want to vomit) COMPENSATION. I am just so disgusted by the many frivolous lawsuits that I just hear the word "sue", "lawyer", "compensation", etc. and my blood pressure goes up. Everything I have I have worked my a$$ off for. I was not given anything nor do I have the desire to be just given something. I am truly sickened by people's sense of entitlement these days and lack of accountability. It also extremely disturbs me that someone would become a millionaire because unfortunately something $hitty happened to them. I do feel that a lot of juries award amounts of money that are excessive. Of course, every situation is different and I am not necessarily talking about this case in particular.....just overall, I find it all truly sad, out of control and disturbing. In the end, thanks to these people that get rich (lawyers, plaintiffs, etc), all of us pay (increased insurance rates, etc, etc.). Now, after all of that jibber jabber, if you all don't understand my outlook on this, I am not explaining myself further because you just won't understand no matter what I say.

I agree with this assessment. I think frivolous lawsuits are just that. When someone spills hot coffee in their lap and the courts find the resturant who served it responsible, well that just undermines the whole system.

However, in this case, the award wasn't to make the pilot rich. It was meant to send a message to NAA that what they did was unacceptable and that there are consequences. If the award was small, then NAA will just chalk it up to the cost of doing business and continue to run things how they did. This award will make them reevaluate (in theory) and hopefully change for the better.

 

[ivauir]

Yeah, sour grapes. I am jealous because I really want to be part of the me me me, everyone owes me, I am not accountable for anything, it's never my fault, I should be rich for nothing crowd.
I suppose some of us support this verdict because we see it as SOME restoration of Captain's authority. I think it sux that we are forced to resort to lawyers to restore Captain's authority, but if this company is not only flying unairworthy airplanes, but is brazen enough to fire ppl over it then they need to be stopped.
Everytime someone has something $hitty happen to them thinks they are "entitled" to "compensation". If that is the case, I wish I could get fired.

I guess all the passengers on the SWA flight that crashed should be millionaires too, huh?

We won't know the score on that until the NTSB is done (thanks for bringing it up though), but if we are found negligent in some way, we'll be paying through the nose. What North American is accued of is not just negligent, it is criminal. On top of that they are accused of firing somone with the guts to try to stand up to them - I'd call that extortion.

Management needs to be held accountable too.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I've only got one thing to say...Capt. Megamouth, you're a tool.

She may be a tool.....but at least she's OUR tool. What would Flt Info be without our dear beloved "Captain's" thought provoking and witty insights...

Seriously, though..... Happy New Year Megadeth!!


PHXFLYR