Pilot sticks it to mgmt!!!!

[FL420]

I have flown with Randy Ott numerous times. He is a fine person and a fine pilot. He did the right thing in not only sticking up for himself but sticking up for all of us who may have not had, at one time or another, the guts to say "enough - I won't fly an unsafe aircraft."

He had no problem getting hired by TransMeridian in the B757 and when they folded in October, he had no problem getting on with Evergreen in the B747.

The lawsuit has pretty much consumed all his time and attention the last few years. He was fortunate enough to be represented by some very experienced lawyers who believed in him and the merits of his case. The list of expert witnesses who testified on his behalf is truly impressive. No doubt the readers of this board would recognize most of the names on the list.

The amount of the award is immaterial. The value is in the message to operators who are willing to compromise the safety of passengers and crew to save a few bucks.

Appeal of the award is a given. It will be reduced and attorneys fees and expert witness fees will eat most of the rest.

 

[Spooky 1]

I have flown with Randy Ott numerous times. He is a fine person and a fine pilot. He did the right thing in not only sticking up for himself but sticking up for all of us who may have not had, at one time or another, the guts to say "enough - I won't fly an unsafe aircraft."

He had no problem getting hired by TransMeridian in the B757 and when they folded in October, he had no problem getting on with Evergreen in the B747.

The lawsuit has pretty much consumed all his time and attention the last few years. He was fortunate enough to be represented by some very experienced lawyers who believed in him and the merits of his case. The list of expert witnesses who testified on his behalf is truly impressive. No doubt the readers of this board would recognize most of the names on the list.

The amount of the award is immaterial. The value is in the message to operators who are willing to compromise the safety of passengers and crew to save a few bucks.

Appeal of the award is a given. It will be reduced and attorneys fees and expert witness fees will eat most of the rest.

Thanks for sharing a little insight to this event. Sounds like he did the right thing as opposed to the convienent thing. Good for him.

 

[G21Agoose]

BOLLOCKS (as we say in england)

I have flown with Randy Ott numerous times. He is a fine person and a fine pilot. He did the right thing in not only sticking up for himself but sticking up for all of us who may have not had, at one time or another, the guts to say "enough - I won't fly an unsafe aircraft."

He had no problem getting hired by TransMeridian in the B757 and when they folded in October, he had no problem getting on with Evergreen in the B747.

The lawsuit has pretty much consumed all his time and attention the last few years. He was fortunate enough to be represented by some very experienced lawyers who believed in him and the merits of his case. The list of expert witnesses who testified on his behalf is truly impressive. No doubt the readers of this board would recognize most of the names on the list.

The amount of the award is immaterial. The value is in the message to operators who are willing to compromise the safety of passengers and crew to save a few bucks.

Appeal of the award is a given. It will be reduced and attorneys fees and expert witness fees will eat most of the rest.

Congratulations for being a whistleblower. BUT the award is RIDICULOUS. The idea is to have a jury of ones peers. How many of those dumbf***k jurors could understand the complexities and issues involved? Just like tobacco ("Sure I smoked 50 a day for 30 years but I thought it was good for you...") ignorance this is yet another example of U.S. jury's being STUPID STUPID STUPID!

 

[Dangerkitty]

Funny thing. I know that guy. He's from my hometown and always told me he worked for American, skipped the "North" part. Maybe he is furloughed or something.

I looked for his name on the Pilot Directory for the APA. His name didn't appear.

Mr. Randall Otto has never flown for American Airlines.

 

[Spooky 1]

Congratulations for being a whistleblower. BUT the award is RIDICULOUS. The idea is to have a jury of ones peers. How many of those dumbf***k jurors could understand the complexities and issues involved? Just like tobacco ("Sure I smoked 50 a day for 30 years but I thought it was good for you...") ignorance this is yet another example of U.S. jury's being STUPID STUPID STUPID!

As he said, the amount of the award in inmaterial. The message is everything.

 

[G21Agoose]

As he said, the amount of the award in inmaterial. The message is everything.

WRONG; the money must come from shareholders/ owners but WE as taxpayers ultimately end up paying..........

 

[SennaP1]

Real classy, dude.

Real Funny..er ah "Dude"

 

[Spooky 1]

WRONG; the money must come from shareholders/ owners but WE as taxpayers ultimately end up paying..........

Is North American a public company? I have not seen any increase in my taxes that can be attributed to this award. BTW aren't you some French guy/gal bitch anyway? I guess they know a thing or two about taxes, eh?

 

[G21Agoose]

Is North American a public company? I have not seen any increase in my taxes that can be attributed to this award. BTW aren't you some French guy/gal bitch anyway? I guess they know a thing or two about taxes, eh?

Ignorant right seater,

NAA is a government contractor (your taxes) as well as the insurance increases for such a settlement affecting your life....I live in France, and the taxes are high, but they have the best public education in the world....something I'm sorry you missed out on.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Ignorant right seater,

NAA is a government contractor (your taxes) as well as the insurance increases for such a settlement affecting your life....I live in France, and the taxes are high, but they have the best public education in the world....something I'm sorry you missed out on.

Better brush up on your insurance law there sonny. Insurance does not cover intentional torts. So the insurance rates will not and cannot be increased due to this settlement. Looks like you missed out on a good public education as well.

France also has one of the worst unemployment rates of any industrialized country out there. The people in France would piss themselves to have an unemployment rate of 5% like we have in the US.

Got an other misguided socialist garbage to sling at us?

 

[G21Agoose]

Better brush up on your insurance law there sonny. Insurance does not cover intentional torts. So the insurance rates will not and cannot be increased due to this settlement. Looks like you missed out on a good public education as well.

France also has one of the worst unemployment rates of any industrialized country out there. The people in France would piss themselves to have an unemployment rate of 5% like we have in the US.

Got an other misguided socialist garbage to sling at us?

French literacy rate 99%
US literacy rate 95%

CIA Factbook

 

[Spooky 1]

Ignorant right seater,

NAA is a government contractor (your taxes) as well as the insurance increases for such a settlement affecting your life....I live in France, and the taxes are high, but they have the best public education in the world....something I'm sorry you missed out on.[/q

G21Agoose is amazing. If it was not enough insulting me here on the public forum, he even sent me a private message doing the very same with a little twist to it. WTF is wrong with this guy? We had a earlier series of posts regarding a Grumman Goose accident where he insisted that we were refering to the Chalks accident. His confusion there was understandable, but his attitude displayed here is really strange.

For the record, I spend considerable time in France each year and have found the citizens to be pretty much like everyone else in the world. Some good. Some bad. As for my education, well it's not much I'm afraid, but it served me well during my last forty-five years making a living off of avaition. Nuf said.

 

[G21Agoose]

Sorry,

But jury awards are out of control and IT DOES affect us all- these awards are passed down to us in the long run.

 

[Dangerkitty]

French literacy rate 99%
US literacy rate 95%

CIA Factbook

First of all, what the hell is a "CIA Factbook?"

Second of all, where in the hell did I say anything about literacy rates?

Oh I see, you can't argue my points so you just dodge the questions and try to get out of the hole you have dug. You dont have the intellect to debate so lets just try to throw in some useless non-verified stat to try to look smart.

But since you are trying to look all tough and smart I guess it is my job to show everyone here what an absolute moron you are.

The population of the USA is 296,000,000 people.
The population of France is 61,000,000 people.

France has a population 1/5th the size of the USA. If your little "CIA Factbook" stat was true it would make sense that the literacy rate would be smaller in the USA than in France. Becuase with having 4/5ths more people and exposure to illiteracy the USA would have a greater chance of having more illiterate people. As a whole and as a percentage.

Looks like your high taxes are showing a poorer rate of return by the minute. Don't they teach you Frogs statistics in France?

However, keep the idiotic statements coming. It's really fun debating with a clueless uneducated arrogant Frog.

 

[G21Agoose]

First of all, what the hell is a "CIA Factbook?"

Second of all, where in the hell did I say anything about literacy rates?

Oh I see, you can't argue my points so you just dodge the questions and try to get out of the hole you have dug. You dont have the intellect to debate so lets just try to throw in some useless non-verified stat to try to look smart.

But since you are trying to look all tough and smart I guess it is my job to show everyone here what an absolute moron you are.

The population of the USA is 296,000,000 people.
The population of France is 61,000,000 people.

France has a population 1/5th the size of the USA. If your little "CIA Factbook" stat was true it would make sense that the literacy rate would be smaller in the USA than in France. Becuase with having 4/5ths more people and exposure to illiteracy the USA would have a greater chance of having more illiterate people. As a whole and as a percentage.

Looks like your high taxes are showing a poorer rate of return by the minute. Don't they teach you Frogs statistics in France?

However, keep the idiotic statements coming. It's really fun debating with a clueless uneducated arrogant Frog.

Whoa Kitty,

Calm down little *************************.

Firstly, I am not French but being referred to as a 'frog' reveals your that I am dealing with a lower intelligence and/or a racist.

Secondly, the CIA Factbook is published by the Central Intelligence Agency and is available in your local library (find a map' it's usually a big building in town)

Lastly, to make the math simple 5% of 296 million = 14.8 million (US)
1% of 61 million = 610,000.

But you fail to understand you still have more illiterates PER CAPITA. UNDERSTAND?