Pilot shortage solved

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok,

I don't own this program nor do I think its perfect but there is a definite thought process by the Bossman at Mother D.

Anybody on any seniority list today WILL get an interview by a major airline within the next 3 years. That's just pure numbers based on growth and retirements. The ones who won't either didn't fill out an app or is a convicted murderer....(joke....throttle back). Delta knows that anybody in theleft seat wil go to the first airline that calls and has no allegiance to the carrier.

They go out and tag newcomers and make them brand dependent and then guarantee a pipeline of cheap F/Os to keep the regional flying.

Why should Delta offer this to the current pilots because, as we see, they are already grinded to the bone by all the poor treatment they have received so far by the big airline. Not saying its right, but that is the clean slate they are looking for.


Fire away....because you gotta take it out on somebody.

 

[wms]

Delta is going to see this will fall short of providing enough staffing. The new hires will see that they can be somewhere a lot sooner, just like the pilots that are coming through colleges with deals with majors and regionals(this is just the next generation of that).

What this may do is eventually lead to a truly unified seniority list with exceptions for poor performance. I'd say this is just one step in a progressive change in the way the majors staff their airplanes.

 

[redflyer65]

Everyone on a seniority list now could be at Delta in three years? They still need PIC time Bill. If they started today, and had a three year upgrade at Endeavor (which is running more than 7yrs right now), it would still take over a year to get the 1000 PIC. That equals 4 years if everything went perfectly. And in the real world numbers RIGHT NOW, it more like 8.5 years. That's along time to wait for a number.

I'm not trying to bash Delta at all. Just the situation. Send Endeavor thru bankruptcy to crush the rates back down, then offer a 'new' carrot. How about Endeavor pay a better payrate? The problem will become really evident when DL hires too many Endeavor CAs and they won't be able to backfill the FOs. Kind of happening now. That's why they rolled out this new plan. I don't see it working.

For any guy looking to get hired at a regional, it's still going to be about two things (like it's always been)...

1. Quick upgrade.
2. Better pay/work rules.

in that order.

 

[Crash Pad]

It's not that long to wait for a number. I'm almost to 5 years on SWA version of this program.

 

[sniper]

http://news.delta.com/Endeavor_to_Delta

It would seem to me that you can scrap your Delta app. I'm guessing that Delta hires both military and civilian pilots. If the civilian pilots come from Endeavor can we then assume they won't come from the "stack"?

Slick move by Delta. It keeps Endeavor stacked with pilots despite the contract. Keeps the Delta RJs flying despite the low wages and lack of pilots. Your move United and American.

thats a great move ... ual and amr should follow . a known quality is a known quality ... kudos to the mec that approve that

 

[Microclimates]

"With this unique hiring program, Endeavor will attract career-focused pilots."
... As opposed to what exactly.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

"With this unique hiring program, Endeavor will attract career-focused pilots."
... As opposed to what exactly.

That's mgmt speak for, "guys who don't want to be Endeavor lifers."

They want guys to get in, put in a few years and get out. With that said I think everyone is mostly "career focused" now at any regional.

 

[Floatplane]

Funny how they call this first ever. AA did it, CAL did it, hardly first ever.

Jetblue is doing it as well!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This does nothing for a current pilot there and animosity will prevail....I hear what the current pilots are saying.

But I know the company is losing it because they are worried where they are going to get the next generation from.

We are hiring 50 a month and rumor is it's because of training pipeline (sims) and more may be authorized soon. Good luck to all.

 

[Diesel-9]

Going to hire a 100 a month in June and July at DAL.

 

[densoo]

Going to hire a 100 a month in June and July at DAL.

From the military and Endeavor Air. Slim pickins for everyone else.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Last class had two miltary....

Be positive...and know the facts...

 

[agrrlpilot]

So if Endeavor is now going to use "the same tough standards as at Delta" during their hiring process, where are they going to find pilots with 1000 TPIC hrs willing to take $25K starting salary when the majors are paying more and hiring too? And does that mean that the pilots on property don't/didn't meet those "tough Delta standards" and won't even be considered at Delta?

yeah, let's insult everybody.....

 

[atpcliff]

Curious, how can anyone with only the creds to work at a regional, ever be hired using Delta mainlines tough standards? Me thinks they are not truly using Delta standards...

This is not how it works. For example: I had the credentials to get an interview at DAL. I did NOT have the credentials to get interviews at ANY of the regionals.

Sometimes DAL hires have better credentials than regional pilots, and sometimes they don't. Some regional guys had a tougher time getting hired at the regionals, than some guys had getting hired at DAL.

It all depends on timing.....sometimes DAL is easier than other places, and sometimes it is more difficult.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

So if Endeavor is now going to use "the same tough standards as at Delta" during their hiring process, where are they going to find pilots with 1000 TPIC hrs willing to take $25K starting salary when the majors are paying more and hiring too? And does that mean that the pilots on property don't/didn't meet those "tough Delta standards" and won't even be considered at Delta?

yeah, let's insult everybody.....

Endeavor's program attempts to capture every facet except flight time and experience, they're quite forthcoming about the fact in their documents on their website. Hence, the need for at least 2 years on the left seat at Endeavor.

As for the second question, existing pilots have access through the SSP program - which so far appears to be as sure a thing as a GM ignition switch.