Pilot hiring plan at American Airlines?

[eaglefly]

This just in......


Supplement W Negotiations Failure

In a preview of how we can expect AMR management to engage in the resumption of our Section 6 negotiations, last Friday AA management, along with Eagle management, outright rejected the joint APA/ALPA proposed settlement of all Supplement W grievances. APA and the Eagle ALPA negotiators worked collaboratively to reach a comprehensive settlement framework, yet without articulating a reason, both management teams felt that they could not accept the proposed agreement.
Preparations are underway for the grievance arbitrations to resume next month. We are extremely disappointed that management failed to recognize the value to both AA and Eagle in our joint proposal, but we are fully prepared to resolve this through arbitration. Protection of the AA seniority list is a paramount goal for APA, and we will continue to do everything possible to preserve its integrity. We will keep you informed of any additional developments as they occur.


So, Eaglefly, it looks like it's going to be awhile before you're going to be swinging gear for a former TWA guy. But it will give you more practice with the tiller.

That was "in" days ago, so you're WAY behind the curve.

In fact, it likely means the opposite.

The "negotiated settlement" actually supposedly had all AA furloughees offered recall first with flowthru's getting 2nd year pay when beginning their new-hire class. This would have gotten me more tiller practice for certain.

Now that it is likely back to the arbitrator Larocco, it's MORE likely the flowthru's will go in seniority order and more likely for me to get LESS tiller practice.

Blueboy wouldn't risk slinging gear for me until I made captain at AA years down the road, so it matters little when I'd actually flow, sooner or later, but he'll ALWAYS be junior to me.

 

[AA717driver]

eaglefly HAS read the original arbitration (unlike some, apparently). Larocca said "yeah, the TWA people who went through AA school before they got laid off (a handful) are not newhires. Those who didn't are, kinda, sorta newhires but not in the literal sense but, yeah, they are taking up a 'newhire position'."

BUT, he also made a distinction between those who are above and below the staple point as where to draw the line on "newhire position" or not. I was not on the AA certificate but was above the staple point.

Was my recent recall class a "newhire" class? Was my spot a "newhire position"? Had I not come back, my spot would have been taken by a "blue" pilot and, thus, it would not have been a "newhire position".

This was a lousy decision--he makes the big bucks and should have done better. Larocca wavers and waffles and basically said: "I see both sides, why don't you 4 groups work it out. DON'T MAKE ME DO IT! You won't like the outcome."

Well, now, AMR (both AA and Eagle management) IS making him decide. AND, I hope like he!! THEY don't like the result. TC

 

[MD80DRVR]

Eagle:

I understand your passion about this decision. You are what everyone in the industry calls a "Lifer". You either never had the ambition or didn't have the skills, degree etc... to leave AE. This is your one shot to be saved. I hope it works out for you.

I'll just say it again. You will never see a spot in a class at AA until everyone is recalled....

Don't waste your breath with a reply. I won't be reading it.:beer:

 

[thor2j]

Eagle:

I understand your passion about this decision. You are what everyone in the industry calls a "Lifer". You either never had the ambition or didn't have the skills, degree etc... to leave AE. This is your one shot to be saved. I hope it works out for you.

I'll just say it again. You will never see a spot in a class at AA until everyone is recalled....

Don't waste your breath with a reply. I won't be reading it.:beer:

I don't understand why this is his "one shot." He makes descent money (more the JBlu e190 drivers), probably has a good quality of life, and is comfortable. He is just stating some facts. For manny 100K a year, livingwhere they want to, being senior is better then taking a big chance on JetBlu or never upgrading at AA if he is over 45. Maybe being home every night is more important then the extra money.

All the "AA" guys might be trained before the AEA flow throughs make it, but eventually when they get their alot of people will be junior to them.

 

[AA717driver]

If I could go back to flying a "little jet" (ok, the 717 isn't THAT little) for what I was making and holding a decent line, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Why is it such a negative for eaglefly to want to maintain good QOL and decent pay? My goal is to be happy, not be miserable and make the most money so I can brag at the bar. TC

 

[spacecadet1]

Eagle will soon be spun off. AMR will wash it's hands of this mess. Then whoever buys the eagle turd will threaten BK over the pilots and squeeze major concessions out of the poor SOBs.

 

[Vne]

Eagle will soon be spun off. AMR will wash it's hands of this mess. Then whoever buys the eagle turd will threaten BK over the pilots and squeeze major concessions out of the poor SOBs.

We have a winner!

 

[Pilotbob3]

Mark my words......

Not a single Eagle pilot will see class at AA until all of the furloughed pilots are recalled.

You are absolutely CORRECT!!!

 

[eaglefly]

Eagle:

I understand your passion about this decision. You are what everyone in the industry calls a "Lifer". You either never had the ambition or didn't have the skills, degree etc... to leave AE. This is your one shot to be saved. I hope it works out for you.

I'll just say it again. You will never see a spot in a class at AA until everyone is recalled....

Don't waste your breath with a reply. I won't be reading it.:beer:

Well then, this is for the rest of the forum crowd.

This is the classic cheap shot when you've got nothing of substance left to defend. To top it off this coward throws it, then claims he's going to run and hide before you can respond.

My successful side business is more than an example of "skills". BS in Aviation Managment.

OK, big deal.

Thankfully, this drunken cowardly ostrich has his head back where it's most comfortable.

It's OK, because that's where it makes the most sense.

 

[eaglefly]

I don't understand why this is his "one shot." He makes descent money (more the JBlu e190 drivers), probably has a good quality of life, and is comfortable. He is just stating some facts. For manny 100K a year, livingwhere they want to, being senior is better then taking a big chance on JetBlu or never upgrading at AA if he is over 45. Maybe being home every night is more important then the extra money.

All the "AA" guys might be trained before the AEA flow throughs make it, but eventually when they get their alot of people will be junior to them.

Because to idiots like him, anyone who flys a smaller aircraft than him is somehow "less" then he is and unworthy of his respect.

It's fairly common in life. It usually involves someone with low self-esteem who feels that they must bring others "down" below his level for him to feel better about himself.

A pity.

 

[eaglefly]

Eagle will soon be spun off. AMR will wash it's hands of this mess. Then whoever buys the eagle turd will threaten BK over the pilots and squeeze major concessions out of the poor SOBs.

No clue and not even a pilot..................

 

[eaglefly]

You are absolutely CORRECT!!!

Just because you weren't pirticularly popular at Simmons, doesn't mean you've got everything figured out Bob.

Is this revenge for all those who never cared for you ?

 

[Cleared Direct]

This just in......

So, Eaglefly, it looks like it's going to be awhile before you're going to be swinging gear for a former TWA guy. But it will give you more practice with the tiller.

The MEC convened via teleconference yesterday to discuss the status of our Letter 3 grievance resolution discussions. The MEC was briefed on the Association’s Tuesday meeting with Peter Bowler, John Hutchinson, Cathy McCann, and Brad Wickman, at which Association representatives revisited the unions’ proposal of one month ago along with the associated financial projections. The goal of the meeting was to ensure that the company understood the tenets of the proposal and associated cost savings to the corporation. It was also an opportunity for the Association to gain insight into management’s current position in these settlement discussions.

We expect a follow up meeting early next week.

The MEC was also briefed on Thursday’s four party teleconference with Arbitrator LaRocco who currently presides over the TWA Employment Opportunity remedy and Order of Recall grievance disputes. On October 11th and 12th, the four parties will meet in California to argue the remedy phase of the TWA Employment Opportunity arbitration. A decision is expected shortly thereafter. A decision in the Order of Recall grievance could arrive at any time.

Your MEC believes that the current ALPA-APA proposal offers substantial, long-term cost savings while quickly resolving Eagle’s current recruitment problem. The MEC also believes that the current union proposal offers the best opportunity to address the broadest range of issues faced by different segments of the Eagle pilot population. Although there is a short-term cost associated with the unions’ proposal, it is outweighed by the savings generated, not to mention any side benefit such as retention, recruitment, and moral.

While technically accurate that the APA was the party that refused to entertain the companies’ counter-proposal, the company was aware that by counter-proposing outside of the framework the unions had proposed, they would likely be functioning outside of the unions’ bottom lines and therefore result in the cessation of discussions.

It is our hope that management will realize that the current settlement framework offers the best chance for success in enhancing Eagle’s cost competitiveness, meeting employee needs for career progression and stability, and creating a long-term and viable corporation. Long-term investment in a guaranteed program of this sort is a smart, financially sound, and necessary choice.


American Eagle MEC


I would not call a couple of weeks a long time there genius.

 

[spacecadet1]

No clue and not even a pilot..................

Ha ha, better dust off that resume, because you eaglets are about to get bent over big time. Is skywest still hiring??

 

[eaglefly]

Ha ha, better dust off that resume, because you eaglets are about to get bent over big time. Is skywest still hiring??

Bent over big time ?

OK kid, please elaborate.

The worst that could happen to me is staying senior at Eagle at $10,000/month.

When you reply, make sure mommy's back is turned, so she doesn't catch you screwing with her laptop.