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Pilot Fatigue finally hits the front page!!

spitfire1500

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Wall Street Journal showed up today (9/12) and right on the front page "Pilot Fatigue Spurs Renewed Calls For Safeguards, Shorter Flying Times" Finally not relegated to the back pages.
 

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Oh, just another article. Remember, FARs are written with blood. There is no blood here, so nothing will change.
 

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Yea... Here is some breaking news..... Tired people screw up. I am sure they will fix this right away. I am holding my breath as we speak.
 

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There is no blood here, so nothing will change.

There is some blood in LIT, apparently just not enough.
 

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McCain is against reducing fatigue. Reducing fatigue will cost the corporati's money.... McCain is for the Corporations...

Its not Country First rather Corporate First...
 

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can anyone post the article? I can't pull it up.
Will it include any actual science?
Reversing of sleep schedules and long duty days contribute to fatigue way more than just lot's o flight time.
 

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Keep in mind that the airline profession was at its peak, when a senior captain could buy a new Cadillac on a months take-home pay. (adjusted for inflation, about $50,000 take-home pay).

Then during the President Carter administration, they decided that it was better for the "Jerry Springer crowd", to let them fly for less than a bus fare by forcing the airlines into "de-regulation".
Eventually, the giants of the industry, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, Braniff and others met their demise.

President Carter is a Democrat !

Recently, de-regulation is being viewed by some as a cause to the airlines financial woes and some form of re-regulation is being explored by officials.

Democrat or Republican ?....good question...
 

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I flew a 14 day 757 Asia trip. The day I deadheaded back, I was given 15:45 rest and then assigned a 2 day trip for the next day with an 0620 report time. Ah, the life of a reserve pilot.

It was all "legal" scheduling-wise.

I called in "fatigued".
 

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I sure hope ALPA wastes more time and money on CrewPass and not on fatigue issues.

What a joke, 4 of 8 pilots selected for "random screening" when I went through in CAE.
 

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Keep in mind that the airline profession was at its peak, when a senior captain could buy a new Cadillac on a months take-home pay. (adjusted for inflation, about $50,000 take-home pay).

Then during the President Carter administration, they decided that it was better for the "Jerry Springer crowd", to let them fly for less than a bus fare by forcing the airlines into "de-regulation".
Eventually, the giants of the industry, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, Braniff and others met their demise.

President Carter is a Democrat !

Recently, de-regulation is being viewed by some as a cause to the airlines financial woes and some form of re-regulation is being explored by officials.

Democrat or Republican ?....good question...

Well, we should ALL be for capitalism right? My belief is that our problems have come from an underlying lack of foresight to the far reaching and damaging affects of scope relief-- AND... a huge reluctance to change anything about how our career is set up since deregulation. All the power is in mgmt's hands b/c we can't say to them-- "brand x airline is offering me this position for xxx money. what can you offer me?" The ability to individually leave a company has been sacrificed to our seniority system and pay disparity.
In short, our own resistance to change has caused more of our downfall than gov't policy. Plus our lack of unity and strength. We really do need to look at what reforms our own career needs before we start blaming gov't outright.

That being said, the record is clear on Reagan/BushI/BushII and labor. The 'more of the same' line from Dems is bit of a stretch in comparing mccain to the last 3 republican presidents, but when it comes to labor-- it is spot on. Cabotage and baseball style arbitration are on McCain's agenda for airline labor. I'd rather not deal w/ that experiment after the blatant corruption we've dealt w/ for the last 8 years.

That being said-- i've said it before, i'll say it again-- we need an attitude among ourselves that let's everyone know that we are DONE TAKING CUTS. No matter what the financial health of the airlines, no matter who is in office... WE ARE DONE-.
 

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McCain is against reducing fatigue. Reducing fatigue will cost the corporati's money.... McCain is for the Corporations...

Its not Country First rather Corporate First...
Interesting...

What did Clinton do to address this issue?
 

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I sure hope ALPA wastes more time and money on CrewPass and not on fatigue issues.

What a joke, 4 of 8 pilots selected for "random screening" when I went through in CAE.
Don't worry...they haven't been able to do anything about it in the past 35 years, why would they be able to do anything about it now?
 

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Interesting...

What did Clinton do to address this issue?


I wasn't an ALPA pilot during the clinton admin... but I do hear that when ALPA called the WH someone picked up the phone...

When Bush took office the phone lines between ALPA and the WH were cut.

How long have you been an ALPA pilot?
 

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it created pilot jobs

Then during the President Carter administration, they decided that it was better for the "Jerry Springer crowd", to let them fly for less than a bus fare by forcing the airlines into "de-regulation".
Eventually, the giants of the industry, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, Braniff and others met their demise.
And if de-reg had not happened would you have a pilot job?
 

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...but I do hear that when ALPA called the WH someone picked up the phone...
I wasn't asking if you were a pilot for ALPA at the time or not...what kind of lasting progressive landmarks were achieved for pilots under a pro-labor democratic POTUS?
 

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And if de-reg had not happened would you have a pilot job?
Take your pick, YIP: Lots of jobs at low wages, or a few jobs at respectable pay?
 

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I wasn't asking if you were a pilot for ALPA at the time or not...what kind of lasting progressive landmarks were achieved for pilots under a pro-labor democratic POTUS?


But I was asking you if you are an ALPA pilot or not...

answer the question.... and I'll answer yours...
 
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