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LyodChristmas

LyodChristmas

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Starting in October the guy who builds the lines for Piedmont will also be building PSA's lines. I guess they are doing this so they could save some money.

Anyways, the lines came out last week and everyone thinks the pairings are pretty bad.

Basically to sum it up it, he put together a lot of flying that does not work well. 1 day trip get done early, followed by a two day that starts late - Most pairings have a lot more legs on back to back days then most people would like. I saw one that had 7 or 8 legs on the first day and 6 on the second with 9 hours of scheduled rest into a 4 leg day and a 5 leg day on the final day.

The lines come in 3 flavors this month too.... 12 days off, 13 and 14. Yippee!

I was just wondering what the Piedmont guys had to say about their schedules and if they have had any problems with this guy. Feel free to PM me too.

Thanks!
 
Welcome to PDT scheduling!! 4 days on, starting in the AM on the first day to finish in the late PM on the last day, is nothing new here at EN. Neither is a two leg one day trip, followed by a four day, with six legs somewhere in there (possibly twice or more)

Just recently, there were some eight leg days in the PDT lines. At least one of our days during a trip will be six legs long.

Mainline is taking flying off of the 50 seat RJs when possible so the fuel-efficient Dash can fly those trips instead. So we got that going for us too.

I just bid for Oct. The highest line has 16 days off and is still blocked at 87 hours of flying. The lowest line is 13 days off with 87 hours block.

Enjoy!
 
LyodChristmas said:
Starting in October the guy who builds the lines for Piedmont will also be building PSA's lines. I guess they are doing this so they could save some money.

Anyways, the lines came out last week and everyone thinks the pairings are pretty bad.

Basically to sum it up it, he put together a lot of flying that does not work well. 1 day trip get done early, followed by a two day that starts late - Most pairings have a lot more legs on back to back days then most people would like. I saw one that had 7 or 8 legs on the first day and 6 on the second with 9 hours of scheduled rest into a 4 leg day and a 5 leg day on the final day.

The lines come in 3 flavors this month too.... 12 days off, 13 and 14. Yippee!

I was just wondering what the Piedmont guys had to say about their schedules and if they have had any problems with this guy. Feel free to PM me too.

Thanks!
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Welcome to our world! For the most part our Schedules are good if you live in base! So basically that means they pretty much suck.

Our Company is pretty good however on giving us long rest periods. But if you are a commuter a 4 day trip could become a 6 day.

Day 1 start at 6am, and finish day four at 9 or 11pm with a 18hr layover in wonderful FLO by I-95. You have to commute they day before and day after. Ouch!

If Piedmont is doing your schedules don't look for an improvement at all.
 
Weird variety of rest in lga this month. 9 to 20 hr overnights... Many crummy lines next month for commuters. One on, two off, one on, two off... WTF??
 
That guy is a motherless ******************************....

One of the reasons I have very little hair left....
 
CLT based FO here and I just submitted my bid. Many of the 700 lines were great for commuters but the 200 lines were god awful. Tons of layovers in base where we have to pay for a hotel, lots of continuous duty overnights squeezed into regular lines, and way too much 4 days on 2 days off.

We'd have plenty of months like that with the line builder of old though.
 
mcjohn said:
CLT based FO here and I just submitted my bid. Many of the 700 lines were great for commuters but the 200 lines were god awful. Tons of layovers in base where we have to pay for a hotel, lots of continuous duty overnights squeezed into regular lines, and way too much 4 days on 2 days off.

We'd have plenty of months like that with the line builder of old though.
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Perhaps one should be happy to have a job and not be jobless? :) Wild concept, bet the 76 on the street would take any of those lines. Fly the damn thing and stop your bitching!
 
mcjohn said:
CLT based FO here and I just submitted my bid. Many of the 700 lines were great for commuters but the 200 lines were god awful. Tons of layovers in base where we have to pay for a hotel, lots of continuous duty overnights squeezed into regular lines, and way too much 4 days on 2 days off.

We'd have plenty of months like that with the line builder of old though.
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200 lines are probably god aweful because they do the short runs. I remember when we first got the Dash 8 300's....... CLT-FAY CLT-GSO CLT-GSP CLT-CAE CLT-RDU all those 20-30 minute runs suck.

You fly 6 legs and still only manage like 5.0hrs of pay. I don't miss those days!
 
Did they give you PSA guys a "bonus" one day after a four day trip?

That Piedmont scheduling quirk is one of my favorites...
 
meyers9163 said:
Perhaps one should be happy to have a job and not be jobless? :) Wild concept, bet the 76 on the street would take any of those lines. Fly the damn thing and stop your bitching!
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The last number I saw was 79, but I thought it was 76, too.

You might be right, meyers, but that really does suck. Bitch away, mcj -- we pilots are pros at it! :pimp: Didn't you know there are 6 things that generate high pitched whines on the 200? 3 jet engines, 2 pilots, and the fa.
 
meyers9163 said:
Perhaps one should be happy to have a job and not be jobless? :) Wild concept, bet the 76 on the street would take any of those lines. Fly the damn thing and stop your bitching!
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One word..... "CORNHOLER!"
 
Forgot to mention.. out of the 39 CLT FO 200 lines, there are 22 trips that have an arrival back to base of 11:45pm. And there are 38 trips that have a show time earlier than 7am most being in the 5am hour.

36 of the 39 lines offered have that senario in there... by far the most uncommutable line up of 200 trips I've seen since I was hired.

The 700 lines look MUCH better though. I hope I'm awarded one today because due to a lack of funds, buying a hotel room is not an option.

For those furloughed.. I'm not picking up any open time and I'm avoiding junior manning. I'm doing my part! :cool:
 
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These lines make me SICK!
 
WSurf said:
I acutally heard some of the PSA crew member in the crewroom happy about the new lines. What gives?

This can't be true can it!
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The CLT 700 lines are better than they have been in the past. That may be what you heard people celebrating about. Other than that they pretty much suck. Not that I have to worry about it though, I'm a long way away from seeing a line.
 
FMEpilot said:
Could this be the first step in a merging of the two airlines?
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Well if they are looking to cut some cost then it might make sense to merge them.

But remember its US Airways, and they would happy keeping us separated so that they can use the old management 101 tool of playing us against each other. Especially nice ALPA hasn't done anything to keep management from screwing both companies.
 
Jar Jar said:
Wait till next month when we start sharing dispatchers! :laugh:
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Anyone else have problems with the F/A that became a Dispatcher....K.H.?
I just land in CLT weather is 3sm and 2000ovc. But for whatever reason on my next departure i get a Takeoff Alt.
Then CLT to LGA i get filed at 21000'
I call and tell her that we are laying off F/O's because of the high fuel costs and then so goes off to tell me that the computer won't accept higher.
or
You don't know how to work the computer...

How about not having an MEL on the release and getting attitude when calling about it.

I would like to have piedmont doing the dispatching...i am sure they know what an MEL looks like.
 
Does PSA still get to use CrewTracWeb?

The "new" pairing optimizer being brought to bear at PSA can seriously improve schedules if used to the fullest potential... but, GIGO rules the day with this stuff.
 
ex j-41 said:
I would like to have piedmont doing the dispatching...i am sure they know what an MEL looks like.
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We at Piedmont are MEL GoDs! That book is our Bible. (Sure they'll be more write ups when we get our Ghetto Bat Phones installed).

Just Wait till those RJ's get to be 25 years old!

Opps sry, I don't think they even have a chance to get 10 years old.
 
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