PCL 76-seat rates are posted

[SaturnPilot]

They didn't sign off on those rates in 2008...they were implemented without their say

 

[TurboAWD]

If you want to compare those rates to something, I suggest you start with what mgmt WANTED to pay.

Hows $24.xx/hr for second year FO grab you?

Proposed Turbojet 60 - 76seats, 1- 50 aircraft

First Officers
All Turbojet Aircraft
Same as 50 - 50 seat turbojet aircraft

Captain

YOS RATE
0-1___57.40
1-2___59.69
2-3___61.65
3-4___63.66
4-5___65.58
5-6___67.55
6-7___69.31
7-8___71.44
8-9___73.63
9-10__75.86
10-11_78.12
11-12_80.51
12-13_82.94
13-14_85.40
14-15_87.37
15-16_88.77
16-17_90.22
17-18_91.64

 

[Top Gum]

If you want to compare those rates to something, I suggest you start with what mgmt WANTED to pay.

I wouldn’t start comparing rates based on what anyone wanted.

They shouldn’t be compared to what the company wanted or what I wanted for that matter. The rates should be compared to industry standard.

The new rates are an improvement and are welcomed. Hopefully they will improve even more with the new contract.

 

[Mr Wu]

Maybe now the 9E guys will stop bitching about 9L's Q rates.

 

[Smarta$$]

Maybe now the 9E guys will stop bitching about 9L's Q rates.

No, we won't. We still have not had our say at the negotiating table. Yet.

 

[outtahere]

If 9L is Colgan, you guys should hide your face whenever you approach another pilot for those disgusting Q400 rates. They are less than Skywests E120 rates for Gods sake!
Edit: Well almost lower than the E120 at Skywest, but way below the ATR-72 at ASA!

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Our current 50 seat rates at AWAC are better than these. Hope you can negotiate something better.
Best luck.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[lookin4better]

Is there any planned reduction in flying for NWA? ( on the Pinnacle side of things )

I know someone who went over to Pinnacle qualified for CA ( enough flight time ) and they said he has to do 100 hours in the CRJ200 as an FO and then can bid for a CA slot......that true? If so is it working as planned for those doing it?

 

[TurboAWD]

Let me clarify...

I was in no way endorsing those rates as good or even acceptable. My point was that Pinnacle pilots did not roll over and take the rates mgmt wanted to force on us. We fought for better rates and, although we did not get what we wanted, got significantly better than the comany was offering. As others have said, those rates are subject to negotiation during the section six process and will be improved.

Pinnacle pilots aren't undercutting anyone. If we voted for those rates, yes. But we didn't.

As far as comparison to the Colgan Q400 rates...give me a break.

How did the FO lines come out for you guys this month? Oh, wait....

 

[ballsdeep123]

Okay so the rates aren't that out of line with everyone else's, but what kind of work rules do you guys have at PCL? That's where you can make some money and enjoy better quality of life with one shot.

 

[Top Gum]

Is there any planned reduction in flying for NWA?

None planned that I know of.

I know someone who went over qualified for CA (enough flight time) and they said he has to do 100 hours in the CRJ200 as an FO and then can bid for a CA slot......that true? If so is it working as planned for those doing it?

Yes. Yes.

 

[TurboAWD]

Our work rules are not good. Again, our contract has been amendable for three years and is nine years old. The reason we do not have a new contract is we are not willing to roll over.

 

[DoinTime]

Our current 50 seat rates at AWAC are better than these. Hope you can negotiate something better.
Best luck.

Peace.

Rekks

Are you referring to management's rate offer being below Air Whiskey's current 50-seat rate? Cause those 50-seat rates are way behind these 76-seat numbers.

 

[Rally]

OK, your a new guy so I'll give you a break...When you refere to the CRJ 900 as a NINE, it makes you sound like a retard..When and if you get to point out Nine Traffic your Captain will most likely be looking for a DC 9...Hope this helps...

Exactly sir can you not refer the -900 as a "9" you need to honor the first regional jet the DC-9.....Wow I really am talking trash tonight. Also the 717.

 

[lookin4better]

Have the Skyway pilots been showing up for interviews? Anyone know what they are doing?

 

[PCL_128]

I think PCL128 owes me a beer now.....
:beer:

How do you figure? Looks like a split to me. The Captain rates are either identical or slightly higher for the Pinnacle guys, while the FO rates are slightly lower. I don't think either of us won this bet.

 

[JoeMerchant]

How do you figure? Looks like a split to me. The Captain rates are either identical or slightly higher for the Pinnacle guys, while the FO rates are slightly lower. I don't think either of us won this bet.

About 75% of the rates are lower than Skywest....The senior captain rates are also lower.....

 

[pilotbrain]

Impressive....Skywests 2007 rates are higher than Pinnacle's 1999 rates...how can that be??

 

[PCL_128]

Not by my count. Only the last couple of years are lower on the Captain's side.

 

[pilotbrain]

Just trying to make the point that Pinnacle's pay is based on a 1999 contract at it is virtually the same as most other regionals.

Pinnacle Pilots are hanging tough against greedy managment and I think they need to be commended..not bashed by ASA or Skywest or Mesaba Pilots saying that they are not getting as much as regionals that just came out of a negotiation.