PCL 76-seat rates are posted

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Is there any planned reduction in flying for NWA?

None planned that I know of.

I know someone who went over qualified for CA (enough flight time) and they said he has to do 100 hours in the CRJ200 as an FO and then can bid for a CA slot......that true? If so is it working as planned for those doing it?

Yes. Yes.

 

[TurboAWD]

Our work rules are not good. Again, our contract has been amendable for three years and is nine years old. The reason we do not have a new contract is we are not willing to roll over.

 

[DoinTime]

Our current 50 seat rates at AWAC are better than these. Hope you can negotiate something better.
Best luck.

Peace.

Rekks

Are you referring to management's rate offer being below Air Whiskey's current 50-seat rate? Cause those 50-seat rates are way behind these 76-seat numbers.

 

[Rally]

OK, your a new guy so I'll give you a break...When you refere to the CRJ 900 as a NINE, it makes you sound like a retard..When and if you get to point out Nine Traffic your Captain will most likely be looking for a DC 9...Hope this helps...

Exactly sir can you not refer the -900 as a "9" you need to honor the first regional jet the DC-9.....Wow I really am talking trash tonight. Also the 717.

 

[lookin4better]

Have the Skyway pilots been showing up for interviews? Anyone know what they are doing?

 

[PCL_128]

I think PCL128 owes me a beer now.....
:beer:

How do you figure? Looks like a split to me. The Captain rates are either identical or slightly higher for the Pinnacle guys, while the FO rates are slightly lower. I don't think either of us won this bet.

 

[JoeMerchant]

How do you figure? Looks like a split to me. The Captain rates are either identical or slightly higher for the Pinnacle guys, while the FO rates are slightly lower. I don't think either of us won this bet.

About 75% of the rates are lower than Skywest....The senior captain rates are also lower.....

 

[pilotbrain]

Impressive....Skywests 2007 rates are higher than Pinnacle's 1999 rates...how can that be??

 

[PCL_128]

Not by my count. Only the last couple of years are lower on the Captain's side.

 

[pilotbrain]

Just trying to make the point that Pinnacle's pay is based on a 1999 contract at it is virtually the same as most other regionals.

Pinnacle Pilots are hanging tough against greedy managment and I think they need to be commended..not bashed by ASA or Skywest or Mesaba Pilots saying that they are not getting as much as regionals that just came out of a negotiation.

 

[DoinTime]

As a matter of fact I did....Those rates are lower than Skywest, Expressjet and ASA 50 seat rates for FO's, just to name few...

Did you also compare them to Mesa, Mesaba, GoJet, Republic, PSA, Compass, and Eagle? To name a few more. These FO rates sit firmly in the middle to just above average of the industry. First year pay rate is the second best in the industry behind Horizon and its well above Skywest, ASA, and ExpressJet.

Considering these rate were determined solely by an arbitrator our contract guys, MEC Chairman, and ALPA lawyers did an outstanding job bending the arbitrator in our direction. He could have just as easily given us Mesa rates.

 

[RP170]

Gotta love the arguing about "average" regional rates. When it comes down to it, they all still suck.

Ranks right up there with arguing about who is the "best" regional airline.

 

[pilotbrain]

Obviously, Republic is because you get to fly a jet that has engines on the wings.

 

[Flyer1015]

First of all people, BREATHE


Second, it should be noted these rates are NOT defined as our "CRJ-900" seat rate. These rates are 70-76 seat jet rates.

IF the CRJ-900 for some reason gets 90 seats at Pinnacle, then we have to re-negotiate for newer rates. The 90-seater rate.

But for now, scope keeps it at 12 first and 66 coach.

I just wanted to clarify these rates aren't necessarily CRJ-900 rates, but 76 seat rates. Because there IS a difference. If in the future there are major changes, and our CRJ900s are configured to 90 seats, then we get new rates.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How do you figure? Looks like a split to me. The Captain rates are either identical or slightly higher for the Pinnacle guys, while the FO rates are slightly lower. I don't think either of us won this bet.

Careful.... F&H's Fav, aka Short Bus, aka Butterfingers, might sue you for that beer. There is a pattern of behavior.... aka past precedence...

 

[Flybywire44]

Year_Captain_____First Officer
1____$61.27_____$25.73
2____$63.10_____$32.81
3____$65.73_____$35.49
4____$67.70_____$37.24
5____$69.20_____$38.06
6____$71.31_____$39.22
7____$73.32_____$40.32
8____$75.69_____$40.32
9____$78.10_____$40.32
10___$80.73_____$40.32
11___$83.19_____$40.32
12___$85.19_____$40.32
13___$88.35_____$40.61
14___$91.10_____$41.90
15___$93.62_____$43.07
16___$95.72_____$44.03
17___$97.67_____$44.93
18___$99.69_____$45.96

Bypassed ASA ATR FO's make more... Hands down.

 

[PCL_128]

Bypassed ASA ATR FO's make more... Hands down.

And if those were arbitrated rates, you might actually have a valid point. But since your rates are negotiated, and PCL's are arbitrated, not exactly a valid comparison. The rates that they achieve in Section 6 will be improvements upon these arbitrated rates. These are now just a starting point.

 

[regionaltard]

And if those were arbitrated rates, you might actually have a valid point. But since your rates are negotiated, and PCL's are arbitrated, not exactly a valid comparison. The rates that they achieve in Section 6 will be improvements upon these arbitrated rates. These are now just a starting point.

If the merger goes together Whipsawlapalooza is going to make it tough for the pilots at any of the affiliated airlines to make gains. It's far more likely that they'll be seeing who can bend over the furthest and fastest to secure a seat at a rapidly shrinking table.

 

[PCL_128]

If the merger goes together Whipsawlapalooza is going to make it tough for the pilots at any of the affiliated airlines to make gains. It's far more likely that they'll be seeing who can bend over the furthest and fastest to secure a seat at a rapidly shrinking table.

Pinnacle's contracts with NWA and DAL contain solid protections in the event of a merger. There are certainly DCI carriers that have cause for concern, but Pinnacle really isn't one of them.

 

[Speedtape]

As an ASA pilot, the arbitrated rates for Captain are very respectable. The FO rates can hopefully be improved to 60% of Captain rates. They are in the ballpark and should not hurt any other carrier. If they can be improved when the contract is closed, even mo better! Now, get some good work rules--we support you in your efforts!

For all non Pinnacle Pilots: Show some support and be in MEM for their picketing next weekend in May! After the picketing, there is a Music Fest happening downtown, all weekend with great talent!
http://www.memphisinmay.org/bsmf2k8/

 

[PCL_128]

I'll be at the picket! Let's get the number of pilots above 200 this time.

 

[regionaltard]

Pinnacle's contracts with NWA and DAL contain solid protections in the event of a merger. There are certainly DCI carriers that have cause for concern, but Pinnacle really isn't one of them.

Pinnacle is in a unique position in that it already serves both masters, but ultimately the only solid protection in that segment of the industry is a willingness to do it for less than the other guy is making.

 

[Flyer1015]

Sign me on board! I'll fly those shiny CRJ-900s for free!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sign me on board! I'll fly those shiny CRJ-900s for free!

...PCL128 said he would pay the company money to fly them....:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

...PCL128 said he would pay the company money to fly them....:laugh:

You mean like you told ASA? But then you came back later and screwed your own pilots by wasting their bargaining leverage to get back half of your money? You really have no room to talk about PFT, John.

 

[McNugget]

Did you compare them to anything? or do they just "look" low?

They're lower than what I was paid on the -200, six years ago. Pathetic.

 

[TurboAWD]

As an ASA pilot, the arbitrated rates for Captain are very respectable. The FO rates can hopefully be improved to 60% of Captain rates. They are in the ballpark and should not hurt any other carrier. If they can be improved when the contract is closed, even mo better! Now, get some good work rules--we support you in your efforts!

Ahh... someone who "gets it".

Turbo

 

[EMB170Pilot]

They're lower than what I was paid on the -200, six years ago. Pathetic.

Back when you were "in da sauce" huh?

 

[DoinTime]

They're lower than what I was paid on the -200, six years ago. Pathetic.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that you worked for the best paid CRJ-200 operator as of May 1st 2002. That would have been ACA.

ACA______PCL
$55.47___$61.27
$57.19___$63.10
$58.96___$65.73
$60.79___$67.70
$62.67___$69.20
$64.60___$71.31
$66.60___$73.32
$68.66___$75.69
$70.78___$78.10
$72.98___$80.73
$75.23___$83.19
$77.55___$85.19
$79.96___$88.35
$82.43___$91.10
$84.98___$93.62
$87.52___$95.72
$90.15___$97.67
$90.15___$99.69

The only thing I'm trying to prove here is that you are full of sh*t. I believe the new PCL rates are still south of where everyone in the industry needs to be but unfortunately they are right in the middle.

 

[BLUE-ICE-MAN]

Hey PCL guys. When are you going to get your TA out there? Seems like a long time since the strike auth. for this thing to be dragged out this long!

Just a fellow ALPA OC member on the 9L side looking to get things improved over here!