PCL 76-seat rates are posted

[JoeMerchant]

Did you compare them to anything? or do they just "look" low?

Except for first year, they are lower than Skywest.

 

[bouttime]

Keep in mind these rates go under the 1999 contract. Which means they were up for renegotiation as of 2004. So comparing them to ASA's "new" payrates is not very prudent.

 

[bluefly72]

Did you compare them to anything? or do they just "look" low?

As a matter of fact I did....Those rates are lower than Skywest, Expressjet and ASA 50 seat rates for FO's, just to name few...

 

[pilotbrain]

As previously stated....these rates are based on the 1999 contract, not 2008......that means the arbitrator would believe the rates for the 900 today would be significantly higher.

I think this is a definite move in the right direction to to get a respectible contract for the Guys and Girls at Pinnacle. Keep up the good work!!

 

[RP170]

Which means they were up for renegotiation as of 2004.

And how is that working out so far? The first thing management will say when you try to get anything more for your 76 rates will be, "we just signed off on those rates in 2008." Nice try.

 

[SaturnPilot]

They didn't sign off on those rates in 2008...they were implemented without their say

 

[TurboAWD]

If you want to compare those rates to something, I suggest you start with what mgmt WANTED to pay.

Hows $24.xx/hr for second year FO grab you?

Proposed Turbojet 60 - 76seats, 1- 50 aircraft

First Officers
All Turbojet Aircraft
Same as 50 - 50 seat turbojet aircraft

Captain

YOS RATE
0-1___57.40
1-2___59.69
2-3___61.65
3-4___63.66
4-5___65.58
5-6___67.55
6-7___69.31
7-8___71.44
8-9___73.63
9-10__75.86
10-11_78.12
11-12_80.51
12-13_82.94
13-14_85.40
14-15_87.37
15-16_88.77
16-17_90.22
17-18_91.64

 

[Top Gum]

If you want to compare those rates to something, I suggest you start with what mgmt WANTED to pay.

I wouldn’t start comparing rates based on what anyone wanted.

They shouldn’t be compared to what the company wanted or what I wanted for that matter. The rates should be compared to industry standard.

The new rates are an improvement and are welcomed. Hopefully they will improve even more with the new contract.

 

[Mr Wu]

Maybe now the 9E guys will stop bitching about 9L's Q rates.

 

[Smarta$$]

Maybe now the 9E guys will stop bitching about 9L's Q rates.

No, we won't. We still have not had our say at the negotiating table. Yet.

 

[outtahere]

If 9L is Colgan, you guys should hide your face whenever you approach another pilot for those disgusting Q400 rates. They are less than Skywests E120 rates for Gods sake!
Edit: Well almost lower than the E120 at Skywest, but way below the ATR-72 at ASA!

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Our current 50 seat rates at AWAC are better than these. Hope you can negotiate something better.
Best luck.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[lookin4better]

Is there any planned reduction in flying for NWA? ( on the Pinnacle side of things )

I know someone who went over to Pinnacle qualified for CA ( enough flight time ) and they said he has to do 100 hours in the CRJ200 as an FO and then can bid for a CA slot......that true? If so is it working as planned for those doing it?

 

[TurboAWD]

Let me clarify...

I was in no way endorsing those rates as good or even acceptable. My point was that Pinnacle pilots did not roll over and take the rates mgmt wanted to force on us. We fought for better rates and, although we did not get what we wanted, got significantly better than the comany was offering. As others have said, those rates are subject to negotiation during the section six process and will be improved.

Pinnacle pilots aren't undercutting anyone. If we voted for those rates, yes. But we didn't.

As far as comparison to the Colgan Q400 rates...give me a break.

How did the FO lines come out for you guys this month? Oh, wait....

 

[ballsdeep123]

Okay so the rates aren't that out of line with everyone else's, but what kind of work rules do you guys have at PCL? That's where you can make some money and enjoy better quality of life with one shot.