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You did.
i don't know one WN FO who made that little in their first year.
I'll answer my own question. Using the numbers off Airline Pilot Central, 1st year reserve FO pay on the junior equipment to compute annual pay.
American - 30,600
Continental - 28,272
Delta - 42,000
NWA - 27,000
United - 27,720
USAiways - 36,504 (not sure if I computed this one correctly)
SWA - 49,296
The next closest competitor would pay 7,296 less than SWA. So on paper, if you go interview, get the nod, buy the type and work a year at SWA... you come out even money with Delta probie's and come out ahead of every other legacy pilot.
Am I correct? Or did I just screw up my math?
Why is it that so many are ready and willing to get the 737 Type to get the interview/or START TRAINING with Southwest? Are there no principles anymore? Since when did Pay For Training become an acceptable thing? And don't fool yourselves Southwest guys, because that's exactly what this is.
I can't think of one other reputable airline that requires a Type on the aircraft to be flown on the first day of training. I'm sick and tired of Southwest guys getting a Pass on this. I certainly wasn't required to have a 757/767 Type at my airline on the first day of training; and I make a LOT more than those guys at Southwest. Paying for Training just lowers the bar for ALL OF US.
I know I'll get a lot of retribution from Southwest guys about this, but I don't care. Ego doesn't obfuscate the truth. SOMEONE HAD TO SAY IT.
If you're not RAISING the bar, you're LOWERING IT.
Don't forget: Just seven short years ago, Southwest was the red-headed stepchild of airline jobs. Their pay and benefits package SUCKED in comparison to the Legacies/Cargo.
Post 9/11, they had a very low operating cost. Duh! They didn't pay dikc compared to the legacies. To their credit, they had many brilliant corporate moves, to include fuel hedging, and the realization that if you can make the employees feel happy about dressing in Santa Claus' and elves' costumes on Christmas, they won't mind being paid sub-industry wages. (Personally, I'll take the extra millions over the lollipops and dressing like Santa Claus). Now, Southwest (among passenger airlines) has established the new "bar." Guys are cumming all over themselves to work there. Obviously guys don't remember the "bar" that was in place prior to 9/11.
Brilliant. It has worked for them. That, and the cherry picking and cannabilization of the National Airspace System.
You want my opinion? Save your money, and your pride. Save your industry. Don't prostitute yourself to Southwest. There are other reputable jobs out there that don't require you to sell yourself with Pay For Training. Don't lower the bar for yourself. Don't lower the bar for the rest of us.
At the end of the day the principle is the same. We're talking about paying for your own type to get an interview. Jackass.