Paying thousands for a slim chance to get hired at SWA??

[tomgoodman]

The PFT objection

I never understood all this bitching about paying for training. Everybody who took the civilian route paid for their training at some point, so what is the big deal?

Of course, no training is "free" -- instructors have to make a living somehow. Military guys pay too, with years of obligated service. I think the real PFT beef arises if an airline is actually "selling the job", using training as a ploy. This favors applicants who are either wealthy or willing to incur a large debt. Most pilots feel that airlines should recoup their training costs from ticket revenue, not from the trainees.

 

[ASADFW7]

If SWA is absolutely where you want to be get the type. If you are just fishing it out don't bother.

 

[contrail67]

trying to get a job at southwest is like winning the lottery playing your favorite numbers--

while you cant win unless you buy a ticket, but the odds of getting hired are not in your favor.

i would get a corporate type IE a citation V b/c that covers like 10 planes you would be able to fly.

not trying to rain on your parade, but odds are odds and they arent in your favor-- go with the more favorable plan, plus you know how many people out there are getting furloughed and not only have the type but have thousands of hours in type? but then again, SW hires the attitude and trains the talent.

who knows

SKIPPY



"im here for the gang bang." old school

Then why do they make you buy the talent? Never understood that but to each company its own.

 

[Flybet3]

Why is it that so many are ready and willing to get the 737 Type to get the interview/or START TRAINING with Southwest? Are there no principles anymore? Since when did Pay For Training become an acceptable thing? And don't fool yourselves Southwest guys, because that's exactly what this is.

I can't think of one other reputable airline that requires a Type on the aircraft to be flown on the first day of training. I'm sick and tired of Southwest guys getting a Pass on this. I certainly wasn't required to have a 757/767 Type at my airline on the first day of training; and I make a LOT more than those guys at Southwest. Paying for Training just lowers the bar for ALL OF US.

I know I'll get a lot of retribution from Southwest guys about this, but I don't care. Ego doesn't obfuscate the truth. SOMEONE HAD TO SAY IT.

If you're not RAISING the bar, you're LOWERING IT.

Don't forget: Just seven short years ago, Southwest was the red-headed stepchild of airline jobs. Their pay and benefits package SUCKED in comparison to the Legacies/Cargo.

Post 9/11, they had a very low operating cost. Duh! They didn't pay dikc compared to the legacies. To their credit, they had many brilliant corporate moves, to include fuel hedging, and the realization that if you can make the employees feel happy about dressing in Santa Claus' and elves' costumes on Christmas, they won't mind being paid sub-industry wages. (Personally, I'll take the extra millions over the lollipops and dressing like Santa Claus). Now, Southwest (among passenger airlines) has established the new "bar." Guys are cumming all over themselves to work there. Obviously guys don't remember the "bar" that was in place prior to 9/11.

Brilliant. It has worked for them. That, and the cherry picking and cannabilization of the National Airspace System.

You want my opinion? Save your money, and your pride. Save your industry. Don't prostitute yourself to Southwest. There are other reputable jobs out there that don't require you to sell yourself with Pay For Training. Don't lower the bar for yourself. Don't lower the bar for the rest of us.

The funny thing is that if you pay for training for a possible interview with southwest you're not a whore. But God forbid anyone spends 80K at Riddle or Gulfstream, he's a whore doing pay for training.
It's like saying that a chick that charges $20 for a BJ is a prostitute and should be in jail for it, but if she charges $500 she's an "Escort".
So invest 100K for your education and either you're a whore or mom and dad paid for it, but Spend 8K and you're a qualified professional. :erm: ?????

 

[Flybet3]

I never understood all this bitching about paying for training. Everybody who took the civilian route paid for their training at some point, so what is the big deal?

THAAAAAAAANK YOU. I've always said it, most pilots at one point in their career have "paid for training" or "whored" them selves out for a job. And the ones that say I've never done that are the ones that don't have anyone to guarantee them an interview at southwest yet. But as soon as they're "IN" they'll pull out the credit card, get a loan or dip in the 401K to get the Type fast!
To me that's the same thing as paying 20K for a CRJ type to get a guaranteed interview at a regional. The only difference is you spent more and will initially make less.

 

[Captain Overs]

I guess you're right. We all know getting a CRJ type to interview at a regional is the same as getting a 737 type to interview with SWA.

Moron.

 

[Skippy]

if she charges dinner, drinks, and a movie, she's a girlfriend, fiance, or worse yet, WIFE!!!

Bitches!!

 

[Flybet3]

I guess you're right. We all know getting a CRJ type to interview at a regional is the same as getting a 737 type to interview with SWA.

Moron.

At the end of the day the principle is the same. We're talking about paying for your own type to get an interview. Jackass.

 

[CA1900]

But God forbid anyone spends 80K at Riddle or Gulfstream, he's a whore doing pay for training.

Uhhh.... Riddle is a college that provides you with a college degree and FAA certificates and ratings. Gulfstream provides you with....... 250 hours. That's it.

They aren't even remotely the same thing.

 

[AC560]

Are there no principles anymore? Since when did Pay For Training become an acceptable thing? And don't fool yourselves Southwest guys, because that's exactly what this is.

Who paid for your private, commercial, instrument, twin. etc. instruction? I know some people trying to get theirs who would love to know how to get it all for free.