Pay at ASA is really moving backwards!

[av8er2]

Lets look at ASA pay on 75 hours:

In 1998 a 4 year FO on the CRJ200 made about $2450 gross without per diem.

In 2006 a 4 year FO makes about $2737 gross without per deim.

In 2006 that equals only an increase of $287 a month gross. After taxes it is maybe $200.

For a 4 year Captain it is about $579 gross.

Well lets look at the average house where I live. It has almost doubled from what it cost in 1998. In 1998 you could by a house for $85000 and now they are asking $159000.

Not to mention gas has more than doubled, milk has doubled, everything has gone up but our pay. We as pilots are moving backwards, and really fast. I would hate to think about what Captain and FO pay will buy in another 5 or 6 years. I plan on not finding out.

Now FO's are coming to ASA with $100,000 in debt just to fly. Look at these numbers.

No wonder everyone at ASA wants to fly 90 plus hours. Guess who wins, not the pilot but ASA mgt. who doesn't have to hire more pilots.

Zero net gain is BS. I am tired of moving backwards.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireThat is why WITHOUT a 5-10% payraise, we are going to SHUT THIS PLACE DOWN!!! That along with a lot of QOL and trip/dty rigs. Without that, ASSA mgmnt can Kiss Our @sses!!! You HEAR THAT JA?

 

[Green Baron 737]

You tell 'em Tomct. Show those mofo's!

 

[thebest]

:angryfireThat is why WITHOUT a 5-10% payraise, we are going to SHUT THIS PLACE DOWN!!! That along with a lot of QOL and trip/dty rigs. Without that, ASSA mgmnt can Kiss Our @sses!!! You HEAR THAT JA?

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J A has them lined up to replace us off the 70's for less money. I say if our union has any Cojones that we go & picket SkyWest's group interviews. Anybody with me?

Unlike picketing around the GO, or the airport, where nobody cares if we are a NorthWest mechanic, or a Comair Flight Attendant, we should travel to the puppy farm where our activities will get noticed.

We should bring free pizza, ALPA stickers and copies of Flying the Line. It would also provide a valuable education to the wanna be airline pilots that this is a profession, we are professionals and we have every right to earn a living for the 300+ hours a month we spend at the Airport.

 

[SpoilerFault]

AND factor in our insurance going up almost every year and no cost of living raises in sight....ASA pay really is moving backwards.

 

[WWEfan]

I heard there are plans to picket SKYW headquarters in St. George soon.

 

[701EV]

I've heard that also?

701EV

 

[sweptback]

I heard there are plans to picket SKYW headquarters in St. George soon.

I'm there.

 

[SSDD]

That has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard!

Obviously whoever came up with that jewel doesn't know the first thing about St. George.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Just about every aspect of ASA is backwards. Like I said before, ASA could be a great company if some management would disappear forever. And some of the backwoods mentalitiy could be somewhat refined to todays standards. Not picking on any one person here just simply put, it may be time for more drastic measures- hence the strike vote and time to walk the line.

 

[scarlet]

where is alpa since the vote???? WOW we got a vote,, and now WHAt ????

 

[ReportCanoa]

We are gonna protest polygamy. And then drink some Polygamy Porter.

 

[MELIT]

I heard there are plans to picket SKYW headquarters in St. George soon.

Your are stupid. This is awsome, another poor me thread from the ASA whiners. Have fun drivin to SGU.:crying: :bawling:

 

[~~~^~~~]

That has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard!

Ok, Why?

 

[SSDD]

O.K., because its totally useless. You might as well set up a picket line in front of your own house.

1. St. George is a small town. The only airline traffic is SKW's 5 or 6 daily flights.

2. There are no TV stations with network ties, so you'll get no publicity.

3. The only small newspaper thinks that the Atkin's are direct descendants of Joseph and Mary--no publicity there either.

4. Headquarters is in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Not affluent by any means. So pilots making $30,000--$90,000 asking for more are not going to get much sympathy.

5. Headquarters employees, in general, are not very sympathetic to pilots as a whole. They think we're a bunch of underworked, overpaid whiners. You're just going to confirm their impression of us. You'll be lucky if you don't "accidentally" get run over in the drive way. They are more of the youareluckytohaveajob, and youshouldbethankfull"we"boughtyouinsteadofMesa mindset.

The way I see it there's no upside to going there.

What do you think you'll accomplish?

 

[ReportCanoa]

This is beyond picketing. The next time I will picket will be at the airport while on strike, which may never occur at this rate.

 

[COOPERVANE]

My latest $500 ALPA mag said that in 1978 Northwest pilots struck when the pilots walked to protest management's "bad faith negotiating" What the FUKK DO YOU CALL THE LAST 4 YEARS AT ASA? ALPA has NO balls anymore.

The dumbest thing I have ever heard is that we will not have ANY more scheduled meetings with the mediator until the company moves significantly.

We can not be released to self help until the arbitrator meets again and determines that we should be released (from what I understand)

Soooo it seems the company can just drag this out for 4 MORE years if they want to. Am I wrong?

 

[79%N1]

Yep. And our MEC doesnt seem to be too motivated or too aggressive to move this along. They sure are aggressive when asking for rates and retirement, but we have nothing to back it up. In the mean time, the status quo helps nobody, as management can't bid on anything and we just stagnante. Lets move ahead or die. Sitting still does nothing!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

From ASAContract.com

Q) There are rumors circulating about pilot negotiations and I don’t know who’s telling the truth. Did the company make an offer in a private meeting with the union recently and then rescind it the next day?

A) There have been a number of questions and comments similar to this and, yes, the rumor mill seems to be working overtime. I’ll try to address this as best I can, given the delicate line I must walk because the meetings were supposed to be confidential. But, let me start by saying the company never rescinded anything that we had discussed.

…Thus, during a meeting on other issues between company representatives and some of the ASA ALPA MEC senior leaders, we explored whether frank, off-the-record meetings (not part of the formal negotiations process) might lead to an agreement and we discussed in general the framework of what a different deal might look like.

We received what I thought was a favorable response and were encouraged to continue the off-the-record discussions and provide more specifics with a larger group of ASA ALPA representatives. In a second meeting recently we did just that, laying out details of the kind of deal we thought would meet the needs of the company and our pilots.

The response from ALPA was not consistent with what we had received during the previous meeting. We simply were told the items discussed did not meet ALPA’s expectations and we were given no indication that further discussions at that time would prove fruitful. We have tried to maintain the confidentiality of the meetings and the specifics of what was discussed, but the recent rumor mill mischaracterizations of the meetings and the outright distortions of some aspects make that very difficult.

I want to be very clear on one thing -- this is very important because of the inaccurate information being shared in the rumor mill -- and that is that we never rescinded our offer. We were fully prepared – and still would be – to stand by the kind of agreement we discussed.

Somebody is not telling the on this deal and ALPA isn't looking that great right now. It's tx to stop playing the games and get this done.