Pay at ASA is really moving backwards!

[Tomct]

:angryfireI'm ready man....Burn this place DOWN!!! Neither Delta or Skywst could handle us parking 160 plus jets. I say SHUT ER DOWN!!!!

 

[Bizjet]

My latest $500 ALPA mag said that in 1978 Northwest pilots struck when the pilots walked to protest management's "bad faith negotiating" What the FUKK DO YOU CALL THE LAST 4 YEARS AT ASA? ALPA has NO balls anymore.

The dumbest thing I have ever heard is that we will not have ANY more scheduled meetings with the mediator until the company moves significantly.

We can not be released to self help until the arbitrator meets again and determines that we should be released (from what I understand)

Soooo it seems the company can just drag this out for 4 MORE years if they want to. Am I wrong?

Yes you are wrong!

 

[Bizjet]

Yes I DO remember that management can resume negotiations at any time and that the ball is in their court, that is my point. WHY SHOULD THEY?

If SkW inc. is calling the shots, I don't see why they would want to settle this EVER. Maybe all part of the plan to let us die on the vine. It makes me nervous that SKW is training 500 pilots this year.

We just sit in committee, read minutes, vote no confidence, draft a resolution condemning race to the bottom negotiating, blah, blah, blah. ALPA has lost its action-taking ability. This looks like "bad-faith bargaining to me!! Anyone else???

So when do you want to organize a wildcat strike. How about a massive sick out. Maybe alll resign on the same day? How about a maintenance write up on every aircraft even if there is nothing wrong with the A/C.

Just to let you know all of the previously mentioned actions will have the individuals in front of a Federal Judge and the Union facing fines for damages until the illegal job action is over. The Railway Labor Act is not designed to assist labor but to keep the airline flying until there is a release by the NMB. Why not try to get control of your emotions and chill out. The fact that these negotiations have lasted 4 years is because Delta ordered ASA to slow the negotiations as long as possible. When a release is granted you will get a decent T/A unless others like you have encouraged management to dig in deeper because they like you are panicking. Just do your job and nothing else. This company is imploding before your very eyes. Delta will eventually give Uncle Jerry a call and he will give BL the order to get er done. If you think the MEC is doing nothing then spend a couple of your off days volunteering to DO NOTHING at the ALPA office. While you are there you probably shouldn't boast that you were the big mouth talking about how the MEC just "sits in committee, read minutes, vote no confidence, draft a resolution condemning race to the bottom negotiating, blah, blah, blah. ALPA has lost its action-taking ability". So stop :crying: in your :beer: and redirect your :angryfire at the worst management in the airline industry.

 

[COOPERVANE]

How am I wrong? Not trying to be a smarta$$ Just looking for info

 

[COOPERVANE]

I am angry. I worked for a long time in the the business world before I started flying. ASA on a daily basis wastes more money than 10 captain's salaries for a year and we ALL see it. How can management be so incompetent? They would never last in any other sector.

Why in 1978 can an airline strike because of bad faith bargaining and now we are tied down with RLA "due process"

 

[rightseatjocky]

LoL melit, You're so right. It sure gets old. I am a 4 year fo at ASA and I love it here. They want to shut the airline down, well some of us like it here. It is mostly the Atlanta crews that can't stand it. They had the chance to come to Salt Lake and love the flying too.

 

[gnx99]

If you can buy a house near you for $159,000, consider yourself lucky

 

[ASADriver]

I heard there are plans to picket SKYW headquarters in St. George soon.

Hah! Hah! that's a good one. Do you know where SGU is? They won't be impressed!

 

[ASADriver]

From ASAContract.com

Q) There are rumors circulating about pilot negotiations and I don’t know who’s telling the truth. Did the company make an offer in a private meeting with the union recently and then rescind it the next day?

A) There have been a number of questions and comments similar to this and, yes, the rumor mill seems to be working overtime. I’ll try to address this as best I can, given the delicate line I must walk because the meetings were supposed to be confidential. But, let me start by saying the company never rescinded anything that we had discussed.

…Thus, during a meeting on other issues between company representatives and some of the ASA ALPA MEC senior leaders, we explored whether frank, off-the-record meetings (not part of the formal negotiations process) might lead to an agreement and we discussed in general the framework of what a different deal might look like.

We received what I thought was a favorable response and were encouraged to continue the off-the-record discussions and provide more specifics with a larger group of ASA ALPA representatives. In a second meeting recently we did just that, laying out details of the kind of deal we thought would meet the needs of the company and our pilots.

The response from ALPA was not consistent with what we had received during the previous meeting. We simply were told the items discussed did not meet ALPA’s expectations and we were given no indication that further discussions at that time would prove fruitful. We have tried to maintain the confidentiality of the meetings and the specifics of what was discussed, but the recent rumor mill mischaracterizations of the meetings and the outright distortions of some aspects make that very difficult.

I want to be very clear on one thing -- this is very important because of the inaccurate information being shared in the rumor mill -- and that is that we never rescinded our offer. We were fully prepared – and still would be – to stand by the kind of agreement we discussed.

Somebody is not telling the on this deal and ALPA isn't looking that great right now. It's tx to stop playing the games and get this done.

I think the company is telling the truth here. Remember the negotiating committee members were saying that the offer was turned down because of preferential bidding. It wasn't until people started question ALPA that they came up with the story that management pulled the offer off the table. Sounds like ALPA isn't telling the whole truth.

 

[ASADriver]

Very true. Management's "contract" website is purely propaganda. If management is serious, call the mediator and make the offer there.

Hoser

And alpa doesn't put out propaganda? Both sides put out propaganda.

 

[ASADriver]

LoL melit, You're so right. It sure gets old. I am a 4 year fo at ASA and I love it here. They want to shut the airline down, well some of us like it here. It is mostly the Atlanta crews that can't stand it. They had the chance to come to Salt Lake and love the flying too.

Actually, there are alot of us in ATL that like it here also. Don't let the disgruntled few speak for all of us.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I think the company is telling the truth here. Remember the negotiating committee members were saying that the offer was turned down because of preferential bidding. It wasn't until people started question ALPA that they came up with the story that management pulled the offer off the table. Sounds like ALPA isn't telling the whole truth.

Thanks, Chuck. Appreciate your input. Go back to your do nothing job in your padded office now, please. Oh!! By the way... since when did you become the uniform nazi?????? I took it from R.C. in DFW gladly, mainly because I HIGHLY respect the man... You, however, garner absolutely no respect whatsoever you ineffectual waste of a mangement position (not to mention turncoat.... how many more settlement agreements do you want to reinterpret as a chief pilot when you were the union rep who affixed your signature to them....)

Management hacks can be management hacks all they want... I could care less.... The switching sides and the lack of integrity is what I have a problem with. Switching teams for your own personal benefit is a dead end road, as you will have to come back to the line sooner or later. Here's to you Chuck... You're truly a man made in Nelson D.'s image. Of course, if you're not man enough to come back to the line and wallow in your own crap, I have an Ultralight I'd love to sell you........

 

[atrdriver]

I think the company is telling the truth here. Remember the negotiating committee members were saying that the offer was turned down because of preferential bidding. It wasn't until people started question ALPA that they came up with the story that management pulled the offer off the table. Sounds like ALPA isn't telling the whole truth.

I was told the day after the meeting that the company had pulled their previous "offer". That was before I was told about PBS. Maybe you aren't talking to the right people.

 

[Bizjet]

I think the company is telling the truth here. Remember the negotiating committee members were saying that the offer was turned down because of preferential bidding. It wasn't until people started question ALPA that they came up with the story that management pulled the offer off the table. Sounds like ALPA isn't telling the whole truth.

You need to get Brian's and Charlie's shoes shined before you get in trouble there Sport. You job is never safe when you want to be loved by management. It is always management saying I don't care what you did for me yesterday what are you going to do today. They also don't like pilots and if you were a little brighter you would know that also includes little hand puppets like yourself. Maybe you should come to the next LEC meeting and explain your belief that your elected union leaders are liars and the benevolent ASA management is the pilots best friend and there source of the truth. You are a management pawn because no pilot who has been here over 6 months would want to try and sell the virtues of this management to our pilots.

 

[g-code]

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How am I wrong? Not trying to be a smarta$$ Just looking for info

I dont know, but you REALLY need to change that avatar. Im pitching a tent every time I hop on FI now.