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Passenger lights firecrackers in NWA cabin, injuries reported
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+ 1 Spot On!
Liberalism has already killed millions upon millions!
Banned DDT, Stalin and USSR, Chairman Mao and the Chicoms, Pol Pot's Cambodian killing fields, starvation, premature death and untold suffering in North Korea, much of South America, and Eastern Europe.
All done with claims of "UTOPIA, COMPASSION FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN, THE SUFFERING OF THE POOR." Fails miserably everytime it is tried. Hey, lets try it here!
Oy, it is sad, but it makes me thankful for being so fortunate to be born into relative plenty and security. I pay it forward by attempting to spread what works
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Uh oh, what looked like to be a stupid prank is sure turning into something a lot more serious...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/25/airliner.firecrackers/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/25/airliner.firecrackers/index.html
ImbracableCrunk
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Wow, can you lump anything else in to your favorite "slur"? Maybe the plague or cancer?
At long last, have you no sense of decency?
Voice Of Reason
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Nation Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
WASHINGTON (Dec. 25) — A Northwest
Airlines passenger from Nigeria, who said
he was acting on al-Qaida’s instructions,
tried to blow up the plane Friday as it was
landing in Detroit, law enforcement and
national security officials said.
Passengers subdued the man and may
have prevented him from detonating the
explosives, the officials said.
“We believe this was an attempted act of
terrorism,”
a White House official said.
J.P. Karas, AP
Northwest Airlines Flight 253 sits on the
runway after arriving at Detroit Metropolitan
Airport from Amsterdam Friday. (Delta
Air Lines and Northwest have merged.)
Federal officials imposed stricter screening
measures after the incident.
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., ranking GOP
member of the House Homeland Security
Committee, identified the suspect as Abdul
Mudallad, a Nigerian. King said the flight
began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam
en route to Detroit. There were 278
passengers aboard the Airbus 330.
There was nothing out of the ordinary
until the flight was on final approach to Detroit,
said Federal Aviation Administration
spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory. That
is when the pilot declared an emergency
and landed without incident shortly thereafter,
Cory said in an e-mail message. The
plane landed at 11:51 a.m. EST.
One of the U.S. intelligence officials said
the explosive device was a mix of powder
and liquid. It failed when the passenger
tried to detonate it.
The passenger was being questioned Friday
evening. An intelligence source said the
Nigerian passenger was being held and
treated in an Ann Arbor, Mich., hospital.
All the sources spoke on condition of
anonymity because the investigation was
continuing.
One law enforcement source said the
man claimed to have been instructed by al-
Qaida to detonate the plane over U.S. soil.
The official said an official determination
of
a terrorist act would have to come from the
attorney general.
The official added that additional security
measures are being taken without raising
the airline threat level.
The official declined to describe what additional
measures law enforcement was
taking.
The White House was coordinating briefings
for the president through the Homeland
Security Department, the Transportation
Security Administration and the FBI.
A law enforcement source said the explosives
may have been strapped to the man’s
body but investigators weren’t immediately
certain, partly because of the struggle with
other passengers.
One passenger from the flight was taken
to the University of Michigan Medical Center
in Ann Arbor, hospital spokeswoman
Tracy Justice said. She didn’t know the
person’s condition, or whether the person
was a man or woman. She referred all inquiries
to the FBI.
Passenger Syed Jafri, a U.S. citizen who
had flown from the United Arab Emirates,
said the incident occurred during the
plane’s descent. Jafri said he was seated
three rows behind the passenger and said
he saw a glow, and noticed a smoke smell.
Then, he said, “a young man behind me
jumped on him.”
“Next thing you know, there was a lot of
panic,” he said.
Rich Griffith, a passenger from Pontiac,
said he was seated too far in the back to see
what had happened. But he said he didn’t
mind being detained on the plane for several
hours. “It’s frustrating if you don’t want
to keep your country safe,” he said. “We
can’t have what’s going on everywhere else
happening here.”
President Barack Obama was notified of
the incident and discussed it with security
officials, the White House said. It said he is
monitoring the situation and receiving regular
updates from his vacation spot in
Hawaii.
J.P. Karas, 55, of Wyandotte, Mich., said
he was driving down a road near the airport
and saw a Delta jet at the end of the runway,
surrounded by police cars, an ambulance,
a bus and some TV trucks.
“I don’t ever recall seeing a plane on that
runway ever before and I pass by there frequently,”
he said.
Embedded video from CNN Video
Karas said it was difficult to tell what was
going on, but it looked like the front wheel
was off the runway.
“We encourage those with future travel
plans to stay in touch with their airline and
to visit www.tsa.gov for updates,” Homeland
Security Department said in a statement.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet
Napolitano has been briefed on the incident
and is closely monitoring the situation.
The department encouraged travelers to
be observant and aware of their surroundings
and report any suspicious behavior to
law enforcement officials.
Airlines passenger from Nigeria, who said
he was acting on al-Qaida’s instructions,
tried to blow up the plane Friday as it was
landing in Detroit, law enforcement and
national security officials said.
Passengers subdued the man and may
have prevented him from detonating the
explosives, the officials said.
“We believe this was an attempted act of
terrorism,”
a White House official said.
J.P. Karas, AP
Northwest Airlines Flight 253 sits on the
runway after arriving at Detroit Metropolitan
Airport from Amsterdam Friday. (Delta
Air Lines and Northwest have merged.)
Federal officials imposed stricter screening
measures after the incident.
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., ranking GOP
member of the House Homeland Security
Committee, identified the suspect as Abdul
Mudallad, a Nigerian. King said the flight
began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam
en route to Detroit. There were 278
passengers aboard the Airbus 330.
There was nothing out of the ordinary
until the flight was on final approach to Detroit,
said Federal Aviation Administration
spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory. That
is when the pilot declared an emergency
and landed without incident shortly thereafter,
Cory said in an e-mail message. The
plane landed at 11:51 a.m. EST.
One of the U.S. intelligence officials said
the explosive device was a mix of powder
and liquid. It failed when the passenger
tried to detonate it.
The passenger was being questioned Friday
evening. An intelligence source said the
Nigerian passenger was being held and
treated in an Ann Arbor, Mich., hospital.
All the sources spoke on condition of
anonymity because the investigation was
continuing.
One law enforcement source said the
man claimed to have been instructed by al-
Qaida to detonate the plane over U.S. soil.
The official said an official determination
of
a terrorist act would have to come from the
attorney general.
The official added that additional security
measures are being taken without raising
the airline threat level.
The official declined to describe what additional
measures law enforcement was
taking.
The White House was coordinating briefings
for the president through the Homeland
Security Department, the Transportation
Security Administration and the FBI.
A law enforcement source said the explosives
may have been strapped to the man’s
body but investigators weren’t immediately
certain, partly because of the struggle with
other passengers.
One passenger from the flight was taken
to the University of Michigan Medical Center
in Ann Arbor, hospital spokeswoman
Tracy Justice said. She didn’t know the
person’s condition, or whether the person
was a man or woman. She referred all inquiries
to the FBI.
Passenger Syed Jafri, a U.S. citizen who
had flown from the United Arab Emirates,
said the incident occurred during the
plane’s descent. Jafri said he was seated
three rows behind the passenger and said
he saw a glow, and noticed a smoke smell.
Then, he said, “a young man behind me
jumped on him.”
“Next thing you know, there was a lot of
panic,” he said.
Rich Griffith, a passenger from Pontiac,
said he was seated too far in the back to see
what had happened. But he said he didn’t
mind being detained on the plane for several
hours. “It’s frustrating if you don’t want
to keep your country safe,” he said. “We
can’t have what’s going on everywhere else
happening here.”
President Barack Obama was notified of
the incident and discussed it with security
officials, the White House said. It said he is
monitoring the situation and receiving regular
updates from his vacation spot in
Hawaii.
J.P. Karas, 55, of Wyandotte, Mich., said
he was driving down a road near the airport
and saw a Delta jet at the end of the runway,
surrounded by police cars, an ambulance,
a bus and some TV trucks.
“I don’t ever recall seeing a plane on that
runway ever before and I pass by there frequently,”
he said.
Embedded video from CNN Video
Karas said it was difficult to tell what was
going on, but it looked like the front wheel
was off the runway.
“We encourage those with future travel
plans to stay in touch with their airline and
to visit www.tsa.gov for updates,” Homeland
Security Department said in a statement.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet
Napolitano has been briefed on the incident
and is closely monitoring the situation.
The department encouraged travelers to
be observant and aware of their surroundings
and report any suspicious behavior to
law enforcement officials.
Jakes reported from Baghdad, Iraq.
Randi Berris and Jim Irwin in West
Bloomfield, Mich., and Devlin Barrett,
Shelley Adler and Joan Lowy in Washing-Randi Berris and Jim Irwin in West
Bloomfield, Mich., and Devlin Barrett,
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another cfii
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One thing that i'm sure they'll look at is how security screening is performed in some of the developing countries, especially in Africa.
I think this incident may have been curbed if that pax originated from AMS. It has one of the better security screening team I've seen. Last time I went through, I sat next to the boarding door, and witnessed a guy got flagged by a Dutch security superior, and when the guy was starting to get ansy, the officer simply told him, "If you don't cooperate, we can hold you in this country indefinitely". The freedom we take for granted in this country is mesmerizing.
I think it's time we learn from the Israelis in airport screening. It took me more than 2 hours from curb to making it to my seat, and there wasn't any waiting lines!
I think this incident may have been curbed if that pax originated from AMS. It has one of the better security screening team I've seen. Last time I went through, I sat next to the boarding door, and witnessed a guy got flagged by a Dutch security superior, and when the guy was starting to get ansy, the officer simply told him, "If you don't cooperate, we can hold you in this country indefinitely". The freedom we take for granted in this country is mesmerizing.
I think it's time we learn from the Israelis in airport screening. It took me more than 2 hours from curb to making it to my seat, and there wasn't any waiting lines!
NEDude
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I just went through screening in AMS for a NWA/Delta flight two days ago and EVERY passenger gets screened before going into the boarding lounge, regardless if they are connecting from another flight or not. Every gate NWA/Delta operates out of AMS is set up the same way.This guy did get screened in AMS. I thought they were pretty good as well, that is what is scary about this.
Fearless Tower
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For whatever reason, the news is reporting that he was not rescreened in Amsterdam.....but based on NEDude's comment, not sure how valid that is. Sounds like Amsterdam is set up similar to airport in the middle east - pax have to go through security screening before entering the waiting/boarding area?
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Captain X
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Because our CiC is a reformed smoker and he "feels" for those who have not kicked the habit. It just wouldn't be fair to them to take away their lucky charms!
The ban on lighters was lifted under the Bush admininstration. Sorry guy.
another cfii
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I suppose we'll have to wait and see more details. The point is, additional screening before boarding is almost a must these days. Anybody can make it through those clowns they call themselves TSA. We need some sort of behavioral profiling on more pax. Granted, it's gonna even slow down the boarding process, but it's a very successful method. It's one thing to get pass TSA strapping a homemade substance to yourself, but it takes years of psychological/behavioral training to be able to look in a someone's eyes and fabricate a new identity. (similar to breaking the polygraph test)
Another note, i think it's time they beef up the air marshall program as well. Right now, the movie "conair" pops into my mind...
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