pass travel on DL formalized

[PuffDriver]

From what i understand, Delta will indeed have priority over anyone on Delta flights. Delta will have equal priority over everyone on their connection carrier, except skywest and asa where the current policy will remain in place.

It's all posted on DeltaNET.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yeppers. Now why is EV, and SW different. I am guessing their DCI contract, but it still stumps me.

 

[BoilerUP]

So a DAL pilot has priority over a Chautauqua or Pinnacle pilot on their own metal?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

no everyone is DOH.

 

[BoilerUP]

no everyone is DOH.

So a 30 year Delta 777 captain will ride before a 2 year Chautauqua FO, when boarding a Chautauqua airplane? Or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[Full of LUV]

You are correct, SIR!

So a 30 year Delta 777 captain will ride before a 2 year Chautauqua FO, when boarding a Chautauqua airplane? Or am I misunderstanding you?

You are correct. No misunderstanding. 2 year Chautauqua FO will ride before a 1 yr DAL 767 FO or a 1 year Comair FA, so there is something!

 

[fly2002]

hmm...

well this is complete B.S.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeppers. Now why is EV, and SW different. I am guessing their DCI contract, but it still stumps me.

Why should you go before an ASA or Skywest employee on an ASA or Skywest flight?

 

[General Lee]

well this is complete B.S.

On a Delta mainline flight, DL employees will have priority over EVERYONE else not working at DL. On Delta Connection flights, it will go DOH. That is better than the 25 year Comair Captain beating me out of a mainline first class seat. Not anymore....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PulluP]

Doesn't it have to do with who owns/pays for the assets (aircraft and facilities)? That is, Delta owns or holds the leases on aircraft at wholly-owned carriers, but ASA and Skywest own their own equipment. If Delta pays for the equipment, then their employees should have priority, since they should really be the ones operating it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Doesn't it have to do with who owns/pays for the assets (aircraft and facilities)? That is, Delta owns or holds the leases on aircraft at wholly-owned carriers, but ASA and Skywest own their own equipment. If Delta pays for the equipment, then their employees should have priority, since they should really be the ones operating it.

This is incorrect.

Other carriers are risk sharing partners as it pertains to aircraft leases and other liabilities as well.
The reason ASA ad SKW did not change was the fact that DAL has a pass agreement with them. It is tied in to their DCI contract.
Fact is DAL owns the code on all DCI flights, we have bought all of your block hrs up. In effect you are an ACMI operator. Until you start selling seats under the EV code, which by the way if you read the ASA DCI agreement cannot happen until 2020 or so, this will not change.

Also FWIW, DAL owns a bunch of ASA's jets, and holds the leases on a bunch too.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Why should you go before an ASA or Skywest employee on an ASA or Skywest flight?

Guess because we go DOH on all other DCI jets. It is the precedence. It will be that way some day Joe, count on it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Also FWIW, do not blast the pilots from any airline, management determines how these are managed.

 

[PuffDriver]

Why should you go before an ASA or Skywest employee on an ASA or Skywest flight?

Because Delta is taking the risk on the flight. It's coming to ASA and Skywest as well. Don't forget, though, there is no benefit to you coming over to mainline :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

[Simon Says]

This is not a bad deal for the DCI carriers. We ride for free on Delta and NWA Mainline. Don't forget that!

I rember the day that we got higher priority than NWA on Mesaba aircraft, but then we had to pay $25 one way and $50 round trip to ride on Northwest Mainline. They can have DOH to ride on Mesaba aircraft so as long as my family and myself get to ride for free on mainline.

 

[hockeypilot44]

This is not a bad deal for the DCI carriers. We ride for free on Delta and NWA Mainline. Don't forget that!

I rember the day that we got higher priority than NWA on Mesaba aircraft, but then we had to pay $25 one way and $50 round trip to ride on Northwest Mainline. They can have DOH to ride on Mesaba aircraft so as long as my family and myself get to ride for free on mainline.

Wow. An intelligent post from a regional guy on this subject.

 

[volav8r1]

This is not a bad deal for the DCI carriers. We ride for free on Delta and NWA Mainline. Don't forget that!

I rember the day that we got higher priority than NWA on Mesaba aircraft, but then we had to pay $25 one way and $50 round trip to ride on Northwest Mainline. They can have DOH to ride on Mesaba aircraft so as long as my family and myself get to ride for free on mainline.

Ahhh.....A reasonable man!! You sir are a rare find. Well done.

Vol

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Doesn't it have to do with who owns/pays for the assets (aircraft and facilities)? That is, Delta owns or holds the leases on aircraft at wholly-owned carriers, but ASA and Skywest own their own equipment. If Delta pays for the equipment, then their employees should have priority, since they should really be the ones operating it.

So Delta EMPLOYS said carrier to fly which in turn gives them a route structure wich in turn leads to jobs at your carrier. The flight is sold AS DELTA, THEY ARE DELTA SEATS. I think it's fair.

Besides, you can thank all of your brethren who abused the positive space travel upgrades for this change. I know a lot of us were fed up about Freedom FLIGHT ATTENDANTS in First class while I was in a middle seat in the back of my own 757.

It sucks but the whole cart and the horse thing comes to mind.

 

[SoberIrishman]

I think the word "freedom" says a lot. We all know who they work for!

 

[sweptback]

Besides, you can thank all of your brethren who abused the positive space travel upgrades for this change. I know a lot of us were fed up about Freedom FLIGHT ATTENDANTS in First class while I was in a middle seat in the back of my own 757.

Anybody traveling positive space on Delta can list at the gate for a standby upgrade to first. I don't see how taking advantage of this policy is somehow abusing it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Anybody traveling positive space on Delta can list at the gate for a standby upgrade to first. I don't see how taking advantage of this policy is somehow abusing it.

His point was that under the old/current policy as he was non-reving a DCI employee was taking his upgrade, and or had a hire date before him if he was PSY.

Happens to me all of the time. I love it when they laugh that I am in coach. I never request upgrades, it is just not worth the hassle.
That is fine, I hope they have a great flight and move on. I really do not care. If that is the way it is, so what.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I know one issue was when EV's sked dept was issuing PSY tickets to their commuters and leaving DAL commuters at the gate. (I believe this issue had been dealt with)

 

[sweptback]

His point was that under the old/current policy as he was non-reving a DCI employee was taking his upgrade, and or had a hire date before him if he was PSY.

Happens to me all of the time. I love it when they laugh that I am in coach. I never request upgrades, it is just not worth the hassle.
That is fine, I hope they have a great flight and move on. I really do not care. If that is the way it is, so what.

Yeah, except the pass travel change doesn't address this issue.

Freedom was S3C before the change, and remains S3C after the change.

 

[sweptback]

I know one issue was when EV's sked dept was issuing PSY tickets to their commuters and leaving DAL commuters at the gate. (I believe this issue had been dealt with)

What about RP scheduling positioning a crewmember on a DL flight to cover a United flight assignment? Seen it happen.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

What about RP scheduling positioning a crewmember on a DL flight to cover a United flight assignment? Seen it happen.

No doubt that it didn't happen....

I have no problems with the whole PS thing....it's just when I'm using an S3 to get to work and (Name the DCI carrier) is moving F/A's around on PS tickets that do not get tracked or paid for by the using DCI carrier while I'm trying to get to or from work is ridiculous. Not my fault they are short crews or can't establish a base.......

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What about RP scheduling positioning a crewmember on a DL flight to cover a United flight assignment? Seen it happen.

Seen that too, but not sure if we can track that one.

 

[Brazilgun]

No doubt that it didn't happen....

I have no problems with the whole PS thing....it's just when I'm using an S3 to get to work and (Name the DCI carrier) is moving F/A's around on PS tickets that do not get tracked or paid for by the using DCI carrier while I'm trying to get to or from work is ridiculous. Not my fault they are short crews or can't establish a base.......

Classic. The "I am better and more important than you" mentality. We have carried many DL employees on PS for work purposes on our DCI. ANY airline does that on a daily basis. Have you ever started a trip with a DH? If so, were you PS or NR? But I'm sure when you're a PS, heaven forbids there is a S3 on that flight going to work. Its all about you.

I served in the military, graduated from my University with honors, have a family and pay all my taxes but somehow I am such an inferior human being because I fly for a DCI. Next time I have a PS I will make sure I change to S4 so I don't have to bump YOU from your commute THAT YOU DELIBERATELY CHOOSE TO DO.
Grow up man. You're not better than anybody. That includes the guy that cleans the LAV on a RON.

By the way, I paid U$ 200 for flight benefits to use on my own carrier for NR.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Classic. The "I am better and more important than you" mentality. We have carried many DL employees on PS for work purposes on our DCI. ANY airline does that on a daily basis. Have you ever started a trip with a DH? If so, were you PS or NR? But I'm sure when you're a PS, heaven forbids there is a S3 on that flight going to work. Its all about you.

I served in the military, graduated from my University with honors, have a family and pay all my taxes but somehow I am such an inferior human being because I fly for a DCI. Next time I have a PS I will make sure I change to S4 so I don't have to bump YOU from your commute THAT YOU DELIBERATELY CHOOSE TO DO.
Grow up man. You're not better than anybody. That includes the guy that cleans the LAV on a RON.

By the way, I paid U$ 200 for flight benefits to use on my own carrier for NR.

I never said I was better than you....the fact is you work FOR Delta....you AREN't DELTA.....it's a DELTA flight!...Pretty simple actually.

If anybody is trying to one-up anybody it's you and your Military pedigree and your "with honors" BS. Get over yourself, a lot of us did the same trailblazer....

Please, before it was a deadhead on your DCI du jour, it was a Delta flight....period, not the other way
around. You'd still be shlepping around at 12,000 ft in a turboprop if DELTA didn't grant you the flying. Let me know when I can call your reservations center to book a ticket or even search your website.....then we can talk about who does what for whom...

 

[Papa Woody]

That is better than the 25 year Comair Captain beating me out of a mainline first class seat. Not anymore....

Bye Bye--General Lee

General:

Just because that Comair Captain beat the living crap out of you doesn't mean you should hold a grudge against all of us!

 

[Papa Woody]

The flight is sold AS DELTA, THEY ARE DELTA SEATS. I think it's fair.

...except when the plane crashes. Then, as in Lexington, Delta does everything imaginable to distance themselves from the "seats."

Slave wages, lowest bidder, cut-throat competition, impossible schedules, minimum rest, illegal trips....

....."not our fault, they're NOT Delta!"