pass travel on DL formalized

[ACL65PILOT]

Anybody traveling positive space on Delta can list at the gate for a standby upgrade to first. I don't see how taking advantage of this policy is somehow abusing it.

His point was that under the old/current policy as he was non-reving a DCI employee was taking his upgrade, and or had a hire date before him if he was PSY.

Happens to me all of the time. I love it when they laugh that I am in coach. I never request upgrades, it is just not worth the hassle.
That is fine, I hope they have a great flight and move on. I really do not care. If that is the way it is, so what.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I know one issue was when EV's sked dept was issuing PSY tickets to their commuters and leaving DAL commuters at the gate. (I believe this issue had been dealt with)

 

[sweptback]

His point was that under the old/current policy as he was non-reving a DCI employee was taking his upgrade, and or had a hire date before him if he was PSY.

Happens to me all of the time. I love it when they laugh that I am in coach. I never request upgrades, it is just not worth the hassle.
That is fine, I hope they have a great flight and move on. I really do not care. If that is the way it is, so what.

Yeah, except the pass travel change doesn't address this issue.

Freedom was S3C before the change, and remains S3C after the change.

 

[sweptback]

I know one issue was when EV's sked dept was issuing PSY tickets to their commuters and leaving DAL commuters at the gate. (I believe this issue had been dealt with)

What about RP scheduling positioning a crewmember on a DL flight to cover a United flight assignment? Seen it happen.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

What about RP scheduling positioning a crewmember on a DL flight to cover a United flight assignment? Seen it happen.

No doubt that it didn't happen....

I have no problems with the whole PS thing....it's just when I'm using an S3 to get to work and (Name the DCI carrier) is moving F/A's around on PS tickets that do not get tracked or paid for by the using DCI carrier while I'm trying to get to or from work is ridiculous. Not my fault they are short crews or can't establish a base.......

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What about RP scheduling positioning a crewmember on a DL flight to cover a United flight assignment? Seen it happen.

Seen that too, but not sure if we can track that one.

 

[Brazilgun]

No doubt that it didn't happen....

I have no problems with the whole PS thing....it's just when I'm using an S3 to get to work and (Name the DCI carrier) is moving F/A's around on PS tickets that do not get tracked or paid for by the using DCI carrier while I'm trying to get to or from work is ridiculous. Not my fault they are short crews or can't establish a base.......

Classic. The "I am better and more important than you" mentality. We have carried many DL employees on PS for work purposes on our DCI. ANY airline does that on a daily basis. Have you ever started a trip with a DH? If so, were you PS or NR? But I'm sure when you're a PS, heaven forbids there is a S3 on that flight going to work. Its all about you.

I served in the military, graduated from my University with honors, have a family and pay all my taxes but somehow I am such an inferior human being because I fly for a DCI. Next time I have a PS I will make sure I change to S4 so I don't have to bump YOU from your commute THAT YOU DELIBERATELY CHOOSE TO DO.
Grow up man. You're not better than anybody. That includes the guy that cleans the LAV on a RON.

By the way, I paid U$ 200 for flight benefits to use on my own carrier for NR.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Classic. The "I am better and more important than you" mentality. We have carried many DL employees on PS for work purposes on our DCI. ANY airline does that on a daily basis. Have you ever started a trip with a DH? If so, were you PS or NR? But I'm sure when you're a PS, heaven forbids there is a S3 on that flight going to work. Its all about you.

I served in the military, graduated from my University with honors, have a family and pay all my taxes but somehow I am such an inferior human being because I fly for a DCI. Next time I have a PS I will make sure I change to S4 so I don't have to bump YOU from your commute THAT YOU DELIBERATELY CHOOSE TO DO.
Grow up man. You're not better than anybody. That includes the guy that cleans the LAV on a RON.

By the way, I paid U$ 200 for flight benefits to use on my own carrier for NR.

I never said I was better than you....the fact is you work FOR Delta....you AREN't DELTA.....it's a DELTA flight!...Pretty simple actually.

If anybody is trying to one-up anybody it's you and your Military pedigree and your "with honors" BS. Get over yourself, a lot of us did the same trailblazer....

Please, before it was a deadhead on your DCI du jour, it was a Delta flight....period, not the other way
around. You'd still be shlepping around at 12,000 ft in a turboprop if DELTA didn't grant you the flying. Let me know when I can call your reservations center to book a ticket or even search your website.....then we can talk about who does what for whom...

 

[Papa Woody]

That is better than the 25 year Comair Captain beating me out of a mainline first class seat. Not anymore....

Bye Bye--General Lee

General:

Just because that Comair Captain beat the living crap out of you doesn't mean you should hold a grudge against all of us!

 

[Papa Woody]

The flight is sold AS DELTA, THEY ARE DELTA SEATS. I think it's fair.

...except when the plane crashes. Then, as in Lexington, Delta does everything imaginable to distance themselves from the "seats."

Slave wages, lowest bidder, cut-throat competition, impossible schedules, minimum rest, illegal trips....

....."not our fault, they're NOT Delta!"

 

[slapstick]

If you ever see RP deadheading crew to cover flying for another codeshare, report it. Delta will want to know. They'll levy a huge fine.

Regarding the Freedom folks in first class, MCO ops people told us this was a station agreement. Doesn't sound right, but that's what they said...

 

[Broke in CVG]

On a Delta mainline flight, DL employees will have priority over EVERYONE else not working at DL. On Delta Connection flights, it will go DOH. That is better than the 25 year Comair Captain beating me out of a mainline first class seat. Not anymore....

Bye Bye--General Lee

But a first year DL rampie or the step mother of a retired gate agent beating a 25 year Comair CA is OK?

 

[MCOE175]

Seen that too, but not sure if we can track that one.

How would you know that this is happening? Are you asking the crews? Hey are you flying for DAL or UAL?

Company doesn't do this... You have more chances of seeing us fly DAL in a UAL painted plane than this.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

...except when the plane crashes. Then, as in Lexington, Delta does everything imaginable to distance themselves from the "seats."

Slave wages, lowest bidder, cut-throat competition, impossible schedules, minimum rest, illegal trips....

....."not our fault, they're NOT Delta!"

That's the management stance....."not our flight"...don't you dare lump us in with corporate!!!

Ask the Comair Pilots who was at the scene first to assist their MEC while they assembled their go-team?? Ask who assisted in anyway possible to them while the investigation progressed....you'd be surprised the support and sorrow the Delta pilots provided and shame on you for re-hashing one of the darker days in this business.....people died, nobody I know used that crash as ammo against the pilots!!!

Look in the mirror and you'll find the attitude problem!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

But a first year DL rampie or the step mother of a retired gate agent beating a 25 year Comair CA is OK?

Hi Broke...

Have you ever really sat down and read that non-rev policy? A first year Delta employee is just that.....a Delta Employee....a stepmother of a retiree just doesn't rank and is a stupid example...

Here's an idea, when you have an arguement, back it up with facts that are relevant....it usually makes for a better debate.

 

[PulluP]

The flight is sold AS DELTA, THEY ARE DELTA SEATS.

That was exactly my point, not sure what you seem to be disagreeing with.

 

[Broke in CVG]

Hi Broke...

Have you ever really sat down and read that non-rev policy? A first year Delta employee is just that.....a Delta Employee....a stepmother of a retiree just doesn't rank and is a stupid example...

Here's an idea, when you have an arguement, back it up with facts that are relevant....it usually makes for a better debate.

"Oooo, yeah, um, I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there, yeaaah!"

"Parents. Both your legal parents and your stepparents"

"Parents of a retired employee – Retired employees’ parents are eligible for 18 S3B flight days annually on the Domestic, European, Asian, and Transoceanic systems."

Current active Comair CA - S3C.

God, how I wish they didn't own Comair.

 

[Simon Says]

Ahhh.....A reasonable man!! You sir are a rare find. Well done.

Vol

We had the same topic come up on our company message board. It sucked arse paying $50 for my folks to travel around the country.

We gave up a higher priority flying on our own aircraft for free travel on mainline. Here is the secret....I am not so reasonable......LOL. You guys still are getting screwed. Mesaba only goes a few places comparable to mainline. How few (if any) do I need a higher priority flying on Mesaba. Hardly ever,,,if never, but my family still flies for free on mainline. I wouldn't even be pissed if you had a higher travel code on Mesaba. It is still a good deal for us.

In all seriousness, thanks for the free flights for Ma and Pa.

 

[volav8r1]

How would you know that this is happening? Are you asking the crews? Hey are you flying for DAL or UAL?

Company doesn't do this... You have more chances of seeing us fly DAL in a UAL painted plane than this.

Are you serious???!!! I worked there for 7 years and I lost count the number of times I deadheaded on "mainline" airplanes to cover another codeshare. I used to get pos spaced on American all the time out of STL to cover DAL flying in CVG. When I was an MCO captain on the 145 I would take DAL to LGA or PHL to cover US Airways flying. They are not SUPPOSED to do this, but lets be honest, RP management doesn't exactly follow the letter of the law.

This is not an attack on you, and granted it has been a long time since I worked there, but back when I was there we used to hem & haw with scheduling when they would do this to us. Maybe things have changed but they used to say "are you refusing this trip?", then Bart W. would call and say "You're flying the pairing, grieve it if you don't like it". . . God I don't miss that SH#$!!!!!

Vol

 

[Papa Woody]

nobody I know used that crash as ammo against the pilots!!!

'scuse me....what makes you think my post was aimed at anyone other than sleazy Delta management?