pass travel on DL formalized

[slapstick]

If you ever see RP deadheading crew to cover flying for another codeshare, report it. Delta will want to know. They'll levy a huge fine.

Regarding the Freedom folks in first class, MCO ops people told us this was a station agreement. Doesn't sound right, but that's what they said...

 

[Broke in CVG]

On a Delta mainline flight, DL employees will have priority over EVERYONE else not working at DL. On Delta Connection flights, it will go DOH. That is better than the 25 year Comair Captain beating me out of a mainline first class seat. Not anymore....

Bye Bye--General Lee

But a first year DL rampie or the step mother of a retired gate agent beating a 25 year Comair CA is OK?

 

[MCOE175]

Seen that too, but not sure if we can track that one.

How would you know that this is happening? Are you asking the crews? Hey are you flying for DAL or UAL?

Company doesn't do this... You have more chances of seeing us fly DAL in a UAL painted plane than this.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

...except when the plane crashes. Then, as in Lexington, Delta does everything imaginable to distance themselves from the "seats."

Slave wages, lowest bidder, cut-throat competition, impossible schedules, minimum rest, illegal trips....

....."not our fault, they're NOT Delta!"

That's the management stance....."not our flight"...don't you dare lump us in with corporate!!!

Ask the Comair Pilots who was at the scene first to assist their MEC while they assembled their go-team?? Ask who assisted in anyway possible to them while the investigation progressed....you'd be surprised the support and sorrow the Delta pilots provided and shame on you for re-hashing one of the darker days in this business.....people died, nobody I know used that crash as ammo against the pilots!!!

Look in the mirror and you'll find the attitude problem!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

But a first year DL rampie or the step mother of a retired gate agent beating a 25 year Comair CA is OK?

Hi Broke...

Have you ever really sat down and read that non-rev policy? A first year Delta employee is just that.....a Delta Employee....a stepmother of a retiree just doesn't rank and is a stupid example...

Here's an idea, when you have an arguement, back it up with facts that are relevant....it usually makes for a better debate.

 

[PulluP]

The flight is sold AS DELTA, THEY ARE DELTA SEATS.

That was exactly my point, not sure what you seem to be disagreeing with.

 

[Broke in CVG]

Hi Broke...

Have you ever really sat down and read that non-rev policy? A first year Delta employee is just that.....a Delta Employee....a stepmother of a retiree just doesn't rank and is a stupid example...

Here's an idea, when you have an arguement, back it up with facts that are relevant....it usually makes for a better debate.

"Oooo, yeah, um, I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there, yeaaah!"

"Parents. Both your legal parents and your stepparents"

"Parents of a retired employee – Retired employees’ parents are eligible for 18 S3B flight days annually on the Domestic, European, Asian, and Transoceanic systems."

Current active Comair CA - S3C.

God, how I wish they didn't own Comair.

 

[Simon Says]

Ahhh.....A reasonable man!! You sir are a rare find. Well done.

Vol

We had the same topic come up on our company message board. It sucked arse paying $50 for my folks to travel around the country.

We gave up a higher priority flying on our own aircraft for free travel on mainline. Here is the secret....I am not so reasonable......LOL. You guys still are getting screwed. Mesaba only goes a few places comparable to mainline. How few (if any) do I need a higher priority flying on Mesaba. Hardly ever,,,if never, but my family still flies for free on mainline. I wouldn't even be pissed if you had a higher travel code on Mesaba. It is still a good deal for us.

In all seriousness, thanks for the free flights for Ma and Pa.

 

[volav8r1]

How would you know that this is happening? Are you asking the crews? Hey are you flying for DAL or UAL?

Company doesn't do this... You have more chances of seeing us fly DAL in a UAL painted plane than this.

Are you serious???!!! I worked there for 7 years and I lost count the number of times I deadheaded on "mainline" airplanes to cover another codeshare. I used to get pos spaced on American all the time out of STL to cover DAL flying in CVG. When I was an MCO captain on the 145 I would take DAL to LGA or PHL to cover US Airways flying. They are not SUPPOSED to do this, but lets be honest, RP management doesn't exactly follow the letter of the law.

This is not an attack on you, and granted it has been a long time since I worked there, but back when I was there we used to hem & haw with scheduling when they would do this to us. Maybe things have changed but they used to say "are you refusing this trip?", then Bart W. would call and say "You're flying the pairing, grieve it if you don't like it". . . God I don't miss that SH#$!!!!!

Vol

 

[Papa Woody]

nobody I know used that crash as ammo against the pilots!!!

'scuse me....what makes you think my post was aimed at anyone other than sleazy Delta management?

 

[CFI2766]

That's the management stance....."not our flight"...don't you dare lump us in with corporate!!!

Ask the Comair Pilots who was at the scene first to assist their MEC while they assembled their go-team?? Ask who assisted in anyway possible to them while the investigation progressed....you'd be surprised the support and sorrow the Delta pilots provided and shame on you for re-hashing one of the darker days in this business.....people died, nobody I know used that crash as ammo against the pilots!!!

Look in the mirror and you'll find the attitude problem!

Not to open old wounds, or, rehash old events, but...

Other than local first responders, wasn't a group of Comair safety reps that drove down from CVG the first people on the scene? I dunno about this one...

I do recognize that it was sleazy of management to distance Delta from the LEX flight, and, that the DALPA folks did a lot of good work helping the Comair guys through a difficult time.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It is called CHIRP. There are employees from all different parts of both companies that volunteer to be part of this team.

It is very hard work.

 

[PuffDriver]

It is called CHIRP. There are employees from all different parts of both companies that volunteer to be part of this team.

It is very hard work.

Close, CIRP. You can pronounce it chirp I guess

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yeah, I knew that, and was going to come back and fix it. Somehow I knew Puff would save the day.

 

[comrcap]

On a Delta mainline flight, DL employees will have priority over EVERYONE else not working at DL. On Delta Connection flights, it will go DOH. That is better than the 25 year Comair Captain beating me out of a mainline first class seat. Not anymore....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Why? I get beat out on a Comair flight by a 40 yr hag DAL FA!! But you don't think I deserve to exercise my DOH on a mainline flight? There's not that many 20+ yr Comair employees anymore. At least not enough to make a difference. You're just a selffish pr***

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well that DAL FA hag think she should beat you out. It has been that way since EV, and OH were bought and the pass privileges were changed in 1999.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well that DAL FA hag think she should beat you out. It has been that way since EV, and OH were bought and the pass privileges were changed in 1999.

On a mainline flight....fine....On my airplane....we have a problem.....Quid pro quo.....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Joe, I am not going to get in to this with you.
Just do not start something you are not willing to finish, as I will do the same.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

As the capt., I agree it is your airplane BUT the only thing you own as the capt. is the jumpseat. You don't want to start that fight. Delta buys ALL of the seats you fly, and therefore can dictate how non-rev policies are applied.

On a mainline flight....fine....On my airplane....we have a problem.....Quid pro quo.....

 

[eaglesview]

Careful Delta folks you might have a revolt.These carriers that think it's "their flying" even though they are contracted to do DELTA flying will band together and theaten to ban you from their jumpseat like they did at UAL. They will write a elementary school level letter and demanding to be heard and hand it out to you as you board. I will say though that it did come in handy as it gave me something to put my used gum in.

 

[PuffDriver]

On a mainline flight....fine....On my airplane....we have a problem.....Quid pro quo.....

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Tough guy talk. Delta owns your flying. Times are tight. Delta is the gorilla in the room. The chickens are coming home to roost. Glory days came and went at your job in about 7 years. Delta WILL get the pass travel they want out of skywest. It's only a matter of time.

 

[NuGuy]

Careful Delta folks you might have a revolt.These carriers that think it's "their flying" even though they are contracted to do DELTA flying will band together and theaten to ban you from their jumpseat like they did at UAL. They will write a elementary school level letter and demanding to be heard and hand it out to you as you board. I will say though that it did come in handy as it gave me something to put my used gum in.

Heyas,

I would invite them to do so. They might wake a giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve.

Nu

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Personally I would like to have seen them throw a bone to thier wholly owned's and have same priority sorted my DOH. Or AT LEAST put us ahead of retirees and thier dependants....

 

[NuGuy]

Personally I would like to have seen them throw a bone to thier wholly owned's and have same priority sorted my DOH. Or AT LEAST put us ahead of retirees and thier dependants....

You'll get nothing and like it.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

You'll get nothing and like it.

I'm already quite used to that...

 

[Monster Buck]

One good thing you will like is the Delta Travel net. It is better than what you had with just the stupid NWANREV phone number. You can see much more and make better nrev decisions.

 

[IXLR8]

One good thing you will like is the Delta Travel net. It is better than what you had with just the stupid NWANREV phone number. You can see much more and make better nrev decisions.

NWA had more than just the nonrev phone to check flights. The RADAR site was/is really easy to use and was very easy to make decisions with.

 

[Fly4hire]

You'll get nothing and like it.

Ahh, good ol' NWA style management.

My favorite is "superior performance will be rewarded with the ability to keep your job"

Sure glad it's gonna be different now.....bwahahaha.... BwaHaHaHa

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

9E and XJ didnt have access to RADAR. Just PARS when at work if you knew the proper codes.

 

[Monster Buck]

NWA had more than just the nonrev phone to check flights. The RADAR site was/is really easy to use and was very easy to make decisions with.

I don't know what you are talking about. We never had that at Mesaba. My response was to a Mesaba pilot.