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Paid for a whole seat - only got half of one

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SkiFishFly

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By Christopher Elliott
Tribune Media Services

(Tribune Media Services) -- Half of Julie Liening's airline seat is missing. An extra-large passenger is sitting in it, forcing her to lean into the aisle or sit on the passenger's lap. Not a comfortable way to fly, nor, for that matter a safe way to fly. But when she asks her airline for compensation, she's turned down. What's next?
Q: I need your advice on an uncomfortable problem I had on a recent trip. I was on a Delta Air Lines flight from Philadelphia to Atlanta, and was one of the last people to board the aircraft. When I got to my seat, half of it was missing.
Sitting next to me, in the middle seat, was an extremely large woman. So large that she not only took up her own seat, but half of mine. There was no way for her to put the armrest down. She said she hoped there was room for me.
I discreetly asked one of the flight attendants if I could buy a seat in first class, and was told that first class was full. I asked if the remainder of the plane was full, and they said that there were no empty seats.
A flight attendant suggested that the only way to change my seat was to "find a cute boy or girl" and sit on their lap. Not only did I find this offensive, but also it was distressing.
One of the flight attendants came over and offered the large passenger next to me a seat belt extender. I tried to sit down, but ended up spending half of the flight on this woman's lap and the other half spilling over into the aisle.
I e-mailed Delta after the flight and asked for a refund. I bought one seat, and I didn't even have half of one. Delta thanked me for the feedback but refused to do anything. Don't you think I deserve something?
-- Julie Liening, Henderson, Nevada

A: You paid for a whole seat, but got only half of one. Do you really need me to tell you that you got ripped off?
Not really. But here it goes, anyway. You got ripped off.
Or maybe it would be more accurate to say the XL passenger next to you got a deal on her ticket -- two seats for the price of one. Either way, it's wrong -- and the attitude of Delta's flight attendants and customer service representatives didn't exactly help.
Delta, and most of the other network airlines, tends to look the other way when someone unusually tall or wide boards their aircraft. At least one carrier, Southwest Airlines, doesn't. It requires that plus-sized passengers buy an extra seat (but they get their money back if there are empty seats). I could find no policy regarding these above-average travelers on Delta's Web site, which says to me that your seatmate wasn't out of line in booking only one seat.
I think you took all the right first steps in resolving this dispute. Asking a flight attendant for another seat, and offering to buy a first-class seat, was a good start. You were also smart to brush off the crewmember's insensitive comments. Your next step would have been to appeal this to the chief purser and pilot. Obstructing the aisle of an aircraft is a safety hazard, not a punch line in a flight attendant's joke.
Similarly, your decision to e-mail Delta was correct. But you shouldn't have taken its "no" for an answer. You could have -- and should have -- appealed this to someone higher up. I list all of the customer-service contacts at Delta and other major U.S. airlines on my Web site, http://www.elliott.org, (click on "help" for the details).
I encouraged you to appeal Delta's denial. This time, the airline sent you a flight voucher for $250 and an apology.

Sometimes air travel is just such a pain. If you can't fit in one seat then you should have to buy 2 seats...
 
Same thing happened to me at SWA, I had to sit side ways with my back against the window for 3.2 hours PHX-MWD. But this guy brought a bag of McD's double grease ChessB's with two gaint fries, and proceded to stuff his face, wipe his hands on his pants, and talk to me with his mouth full with food flying out as he talked. I am now the last person to board a SWA flight so I can pick who I sit next to, and only fly SWA when I have to.
 
I sat next to a management toad once, and his suit-enhanced ethics vacuum sucked a large portion of my memories of being a working pilot right out!

Am I entitled to a refund, 'yip?
 
Here's a SWA boarding technique. Seek out the COS (customer of size) already sitting by the window. Sit on the aisle next to them. Nobody will sit between you.

Disclaimer...this does not work if the flight is completely full.

shootr
 
I sat next to a management toad once, and his suit-enhanced ethics vacuum sucked a large portion of my memories of being a working pilot[/u} right out!

Am I entitled to a refund, 'yip?
That was beautiful!
 
Bottom line folks. If the person sitting next to you can't put the armrest down they HAVE to buy two seats. It's not an option. Instead of complaining after the fact reach right about your head and ring the flight attendant. It WILL get solved.

Gup
 
Bottom line folks. If the person sitting next to you can't put the armrest down they HAVE to buy two seats. It's not an option. Instead of complaining after the fact reach right about your head and ring the flight attendant. It WILL get solved.

Gup

Come on, Gup, that's the pilot way. Too big a pus to take action on the spot, but quick to whine after the fact.
 
Same thing happened to me at SWA, I had to sit side ways with my back against the window for 3.2 hours PHX-MWD. But this guy brought a bag of McD's double grease ChessB's with two gaint fries, and proceded to stuff his face, wipe his hands on his pants, and talk to me with his mouth full with food flying out as he talked. I am now the last person to board a SWA flight so I can pick who I sit next to, and only fly SWA when I have to.

I just had my beverage coming through my nose. My only question is, were you booked USAir to PHX from ELP/LRD and then changed to SWA? lol!

I am on a 30+ layover in ELP right now and I woke up at 1 AM b/c I thought my pager went off. (even though it has been over 4 years)

Hope all is well!
 
explains it all

I sat next to a management toad once, and his suit-enhanced ethics vacuum sucked a large portion of my memories of being a working pilot right out!

Am I entitled to a refund, 'yip?
So is that why we fly airplanes now? We both had our brains sucked out?
 
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Is this really a rule?

Bottom line folks. If the person sitting next to you can't put the armrest down they HAVE to buy two seats. It's not an option. Instead of complaining after the fact reach right about your head and ring the flight attendant. It WILL get solved.

Gup
Really is that an option? Even with a full airplane, who gets booted me or the big person?
 
Really is that an option? Even with a full airplane, who gets booted me or the big person?

Yes that is an option. I would like to ask why you were the last person to board the plane? If you had boarded earlier you could have avoided this. At least on SWA you can see the seat map, unlike other carriers where everyone fits on the computer screen when you pick a seat.
 
Yip,

The COS is the one causing the inconvenience right? If there were not another seat for sale on the flight they would be sold two seats on the next available flight.

The way it's designed to work is they buy two seats. If the extra seat they paid for was in fact not needed (booked under capacity), then they write a letter to Dallas and get a credit for what they paid or money back.

It really is the best solution for all involved. The key is to catch it before you oversell the flight. Some agents don't like conflict but to be honest with you IT'S THEIR JOB. I'd rather handle it right now so that we all know what's going on. If not you get a guy like you that "won't fly WN" for a reason that should have never come up.

Gup
 
Amish RakeFight wrote: ...there are few things in life as humiliating as having to buy an "extra" seat due to your portly dimensions.

So....lose some freakin weight ya pig!!!
 
Bottom line folks. If the person sitting next to you can't put the armrest down they HAVE to buy two seats. It's not an option. Instead of complaining after the fact reach right about your head and ring the flight attendant. It WILL get solved.

Gup

Yep, Gup hit the nail on the head. The person taking up two seats should not have gotten past the gate agent without having bought two tickets. It's really up to them to be proactive in situations like this. But with that being said, the person getting squeezed should have had the FA start the process to solve it. I would have NEVER taken that attitude and would have simply asked to speak to the number 1 FA or the CA. Morbidly obese persons do not have the right to spill over on us.
 
Other problem

Yip,

The COS is the one causing the inconvenience right? If there were not another seat for sale on the flight they would be sold two seats on the next available flight.

The way it's designed to work is they buy two seats. If the extra seat they paid for was in fact not needed (booked under capacity), then they write a letter to Dallas and get a credit for what they paid or money back.

It really is the best solution for all involved. The key is to catch it before you oversell the flight. Some agents don't like conflict but to be honest with you IT'S THEIR JOB. I'd rather handle it right now so that we all know what's going on. If not you get a guy like you that "won't fly WN" for a reason that should have never come up.

Gup
I normally make my travel arrangements 2-3 weeks in advance. SWA is normally the higher price for that ticket. Makes NWA, AAL, or a better deal. Of course if I have open return time, I will use SWA because they have the best change your flight policy.
 
I just ask the fat person if they don't mind me lifting up a fold or two, and I snuggle under and enjoy a nice warm nap. Its kind of like being back in the womb. It does get kind of sweaty, but it evaporates by the time I have to fly.
 
I just ask the fat person if they don't mind me lifting up a fold or two, and I snuggle under and enjoy a nice warm nap. Its kind of like being back in the womb. It does get kind of sweaty, but it evaporates by the time I have to fly.


That is some funny Sh!t !!! I don't care who you are !!


Pay for your tickets with a credit card - if the flight isn't what you bargained for - do a chargeback !!!!



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"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. We'll begin our boarding with our Aluminum, Aluminum Executive, Zinc, Steel, Copper, and our Aluminum Foil Plus customers".

"For our plus-sized customers, please ensure that your a$$ will fit in the sizer located by the podium".
 
Anyone remember Dice?

"You grab on to a set of t*ts where you don't know where the t*ts begin and the belly ends; it's like one big lop of sh*t! Then she starts swinging from side to side, the cellulites flapping off the f**king walls, you're dodging for your life, and you just jam it in, but you don't even give a sh*t where it goes. You're like - just jiggle for me honey!"
 
Anyone remember Dice?

"You grab on to a set of t*ts where you don't know where the t*ts begin and the belly ends; it's like one big lop of sh*t! Then she starts swinging from side to side, the cellulites flapping off the f**king walls, you're dodging for your life, and you just jam it in, but you don't even give a sh*t where it goes. You're like - just jiggle for me honey!"

I remember seeing him for the first time on HBO years ago. I still quote some of his lines........."but dice, I only wanted to be held." "You got the bonus plan, OH!"
 
I can't remember what airline I was on, but a few months ago I had this same deal. I am not a small guy either 6'2" and 270lbs. I look much like my avatar. Anyway, this big flabby mama jama hip hop dude is the last to board and attempts to sit down. I am in uniform and in the middle seat on a 737. I leave the armrest down which he promptly flips up as he collapses into the sit and me. I hadn't been slammed that hard since I played football. I tried to readjust and be polite but it just wasn't happening. This guy had thighs the size of my waist. I got up and asked the FA to find me another seat. She said, "we're full" and walked away. I was about to walk off the flight when MC Quarter Ton saw a 5 year old UM sitting next to a small woman and asked her to trade seats. He sat next to the kid and I sat next to a slightly unhappy old chick.

I sympathize but dang, "PUT DOWN THE FORK!"

If you can afford to eat that much, you got enough money to buy two tickets. And don't look so surprised when someone says you got a big a$$. Wake up!:eek:
 
If you can afford to eat that much, you got enough money to buy two tickets.


Sadly, it costs more to eat healthy than it does to eat crap. Just one double quarter-pounder with cheese from Burger King has nearly 1000 calories, very little nutrition, tons of fat, and costs just a few dollars. A grilled chicken salad, healthier and with a quarter of the calories, is twice as much money.

No wonder I don't miss eating food court crap every day at work!
 

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