Paid for a whole seat - only got half of one

[jke406]

inappropriate Diceman quote deleted

 

[Jim Smyth]

Southwest in the beginning took allot of heat for there COS policy. Its a very touchy subject to say the least. We tried to be nice and let people slide when the flight wasn't full but then you get into the connecting flight issues. You let the COS get on without buying a second seat and 3 legs down the line the flight is full and you have "BIG" problems!

Also sucks trying to make a last minute commute only to find the only open seat left if that "Half of seat!" I have sat in the cockpit on more than one occasion because of this. Not the best seat comfort wise in the house but better than the other option!

Now step away from the frig..........................

 

[MJG]

I just ask the fat person if they don't mind me lifting up a fold or two, and I snuggle under and enjoy a nice warm nap. Its kind of like being back in the womb. It does get kind of sweaty, but it evaporates by the time I have to fly.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.............

 

[Lear70]

I had kind of hoped the other airlines out there got on board with Southwest's policy on this one. Seemed like a "no-brainer" for extra revenue, and I can't think of too many lawsuits that have arisen over it.

Personally, if I were a paying customer (which I am these days), I'd probably have sat down and deliberately STAYED in the aisle. When the F/A came by and said I was obstructing the aisle access and, therefore, in violation of FAR's, they'd have to deal with the issue of "OK, then where do I sit?"

Might get booted, which should get you a nice ticket to compensate for being denied the seat you paid for because they don't have an appropriate COS policy in place.

Ever notice that it always seems to be DAL and NWA that have these issues publicized? I wonder if it's just that many more issues on those two airlines or if the people writing the articles just hate those airlines.

 

[doh]

"Jack and Jill went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter - Jill came down with $2.50"

-Dice.

"That hoor!" -Dice But on a serious note, I always put the armrest down. Even if I have to put all my weight on it. I smile and politely say, " the armrest has to go down so we can each have the space we paid for." I get dirty looks, but so far not one POS (umm, person? of size) has done more than that. I think most are embarassed that they have let themselves go to this point and they don't want to call attention to the issue.

 

[Metro752]

"We" don't fly airplanes.

I fly airplanes. You are in management.

Why do you have to be such a giant tool? You're a smart guy, and have great info on NWA, but then you gotta go being a jerk off. Can't we all just get along? BTW, I puked in the back of one of your -9s before because your Flying of Airplanes, sucks..........or maybe it was the smell, heat, and constant jolting, and waiting at the gate for 35 minutes for a spot to park. Thanks for the ride! Maybe if you consolidated all those Saabs and CR2s into like EMB175s and 190s, you wouldn't make people have to wait to get off your rickety old silver paint fixer upers.

 

[PCL_128]

How is he a tool for pointing out that yip is a management drone?

 

[Metro752]

How is he a tool for pointing out that yip is a management drone?

Dude, your avatar is "Obama 08."



Nuff said.

 

[PCL_128]

Dude, your avatar is "Obama 08."




Nuff said.

Ahhh, I see. You're an idiot. Nuff said.

 

[Metro752]

Ahhh, I see. You're an idiot. Nuff said.

I know you are but what am I?

 

[Freight Dog]

Come on PCL... I expected more from you. Just because someone disagrees with your political views doesn't make them an idiot.

Besides, your buddy Obama is gonna tax the piss outta us. Maybe not the commuter folk... but anyone making over 50k a year is gonna get taxed more.

 

[PCL_128]

Come on PCL... I expected more from you. Just because someone disagrees with your political views doesn't make them an idiot.

The fact that he disagrees isn't what makes him an idiot. Lots of very intelligent people disagree. What makes him an idiot is the fact he makes a post like "your avatar is Obama '08.....nuff said."

Besides, your buddy Obama is gonna tax the piss outta us. Maybe not the commuter folk... but anyone making over 50k a year is gonna get taxed more.

Not true. Obama only wants to raise the top marginal rate, which means you'd have to make over $250k in taxable income to see a tax increase. Unless you work at FedEx or UPS in the left seat, then you won't see a tax increase as an air line pilot.

 

[GuppyWN]

You might want to check your numbers. He wants a tiered increase starting at 50K and hitting 250K and up the hardest.

Plus he wants to increase captial gains taxes.

Gup

 

[Metro752]

Let's take money from people who work, and give it to people who will vote for me, and not work!

 

[doh]

The fact that he disagrees isn't what makes him an idiot. Lots of very intelligent people disagree. What makes him an idiot is the fact he makes a post like "your avatar is Obama '08.....nuff said."Not true. Obama only wants to raise the top marginal rate, which means you'd have to make over $250k in taxable income to see a tax increase. Unless you work at FedEx or UPS in the left seat, then you won't see a tax increase as an air line pilot.

As soon as I upgrade I wil make right at $100,000 at Flexjet. My wife makes $180,000 (including bonus) as an SAP consultant. So since I'm not at UPS or FedEx, I won't have to pay? Cool, when did Obama make that promise to pilots? I'm soooo stoked to read your answer! Please provide the quote! uke:

 

[PCL_128]

You might want to check your numbers. He wants a tiered increase starting at 50K and hitting 250K and up the hardest.

Not true. He wants to give additional tax cuts for those making under $50k a year, but he won't be raising taxes for those making between $50k and $288k.

Plus he wants to increase captial gains taxes.


Gup

As well he should. Very few non-rich Americans make significant income off of capital gains. While most Americans own stock nowadays, almost all of them keep it sheltered from taxes in IRAs and 401(k)s. A capital gains tax increase doesn't affect most people.

 

[PCL_128]

As soon as I upgrade I wil make right at $100,000 at Flexjet. My wife makes $180,000 (including bonus) as an SAP consultant. So since I'm not at UPS or FedEx, I won't have to pay? Cool, when did Obama make that promise to pilots? I'm soooo stoked to read your answer! Please provide the quote! uke:

I rounded to $250k, but the actual number of the old tax rate under Clinton was $288k, so you'd still miss the tax increase. Also, keep in mind that your gross income doesn't determine your tax bracket. It's your income after deductions that matters. So, with a combined income of $280k, I'd imagine that you're getting your taxable income somewhere below $240k if you itemize. Not even close to the top bracket under the old Clinton rates.

 

[jke406]

Let's take money from people who work, and give it to people who will vote for me, and not work!

Exactly. The man (with plenty of help from Pelosi and Reid) will create a welfare state--in addition to negotiating with terrorists--he has already promised to meet with Ahmadinejad, and that's just the beginning.

How do you think he will treat our military?

In other words, he will wreck our economy and our national security. Bad news.

 

[ExAF]

What makes him an idiot is the fact he makes a post like "your avatar is Obama '08.....nuff said."

No...he said "Dude, your avatar is Obama '08.....nuff said." Anyone that starts a line out with "Dude," is the idiot.

 

[PCL_128]

No...he said "Dude, your avatar is Obama '08.....nuff said." Anyone that starts a line out with "Dude," is the idiot.

Exactly.

 

[doh]

I rounded to $250k, but the actual number of the old tax rate under Clinton was $288k, so you'd still miss the tax increase. Also, keep in mind that your gross income doesn't determine your tax bracket. It's your income after deductions that matters. So, with a combined income of $280k, I'd imagine that you're getting your taxable income somewhere below $240k if you itemize. Not even close to the top bracket under the old Clinton rates.

So he has those exact numbers worked out to the penny? And those numbers are set in stone? I don't mean to be harsh here, but I am sick to death of politicians promises. Every time they make one, they break one. I will bet you paychecks that he will tweak those numbers so that I get slammed. It will be "WE have to do it for the children" or "WE have to help the poor". "WE"invariabley means I provide the cash and politicians get to make all the decisions. Just once, I would like to see them put their money in the kitty. That will never happen. Does any one remember "I have worked harder than I ever have in my life..." from Clinton? Taxes got raised starting at $35,000 annual income anyway. Or how about "Read my lips..." from Bush 1? :smash:

 

[Metro752]

Dude,

Like, whatever, ok?

 

[SkiFishFly]

Very few non-rich Americans make significant income off of capital gains. While most Americans own stock nowadays, almost all of them keep it sheltered from taxes in IRAs and 401(k)s. A capital gains tax increase doesn't affect most people.

I am far from rich. Capital gains tax increase along with all the other tax increases proposed will impact me.
Only the truly rich can afford to shelter most of their income and pay very little taxes. Average folks like me end up getting hit the hardest.

 

[CA1900]

I am sick to death of politicians promises. Every time they make one, they break one.

You mean like when John McCain got on TV the other day, promising to catch Osama Bin Laden if he's elected?

My only real fear is that we are going to have to pay for this war and other budget deficits incurred during W's reign of financial mismanagement. Whoever his successor is will be stuck with one hell of a credit card bill, and you and I will be writing the checks to pay for it.

 

[doh]

You mean like when John McCain got on TV the other day, promising to catch Osama Bin Laden if he's elected?

My only real fear is that we are going to have to pay for this war and other budget deficits incurred during W's reign of financial mismanagement. Whoever his successor is will be stuck with one hell of a credit card bill, and you and I will be writing the checks to pay for it.

True dat!

 

[PCL_128]

So he has those exact numbers worked out to the penny? And those numbers are set in stone? I don't mean to be harsh here, but I am sick to death of politicians promises. Every time they make one, they break one. I will bet you paychecks that he will tweak those numbers so that I get slammed. It will be "WE have to do it for the children" or "WE have to help the poor". "WE"invariabley means I provide the cash and politicians get to make all the decisions. Just once, I would like to see them put their money in the kitty. That will never happen. Does any one remember "I have worked harder than I ever have in my life..." from Clinton? Taxes got raised starting at $35,000 annual income anyway. Or how about "Read my lips..." from Bush 1? :smash:

So, in other words, you're basing your vote off an ass-umption that he's going to raise taxes on people that he says he won't? That's a strange way to determine a vote. But let's think this through, anyway. Let's say he does go against his own plan and raises taxes on everyone. Let's say he increases your rate by 3%. How much more money do you think you'll be able to get by having greater bargaining leverage, though? With a friendly NMB, it's safe to say that you'll more than make up for that 3% with the contract advanced that you'll make. Pilots have lost far more over the years thanks to the anti-labor NMB and administration than they ever saved with a tiny tax cut that Bush gave them. It's not even close.

 

[mrnolmts]

...he will wreck our economy...

Yeah, cause the Bush method is working great, isn't it? Temporary company profits increases (due to outsourcing, tax breaks, etc etc) resulting in a nice healthy increase in the DOW and NASDAQ for a few years. Result: Everybody clamoring "Look how great the economy is doing! DOW and NASDAQ are rising to record levels!!!"
Problem is, while company profits rise, everything else suffers (read: corporate greed), and eventually you'll end up with what we have today: housing crisis, people so deep in debt there's no hope of getting out, a dollar that's so weak even the Loonie is worth more, etc etc. You can only make the rich richer for so long, guys.
Then, once again, the Dems have to "come to the rescue". We all get taxed more (the rich proportionally more, but I guess that doesn't matter), and eventually, when the economy is finally back on track (balanced budget, or even a budget surplus(!)), the Republicans will talk the American people into voting for them again (promising tax cuts), and the cycle starts all over again...
The Republicans are for so-called "small government", yet it has exploded in size under Bush. It seems "Do as I say, not as I do" fits pretty well that party.

 

[doh]

PCL, at least I have learned from history. You mean to tell me that you're basing your vote on the ass-umption that a politician will keep his promise?

Mrnolmts, see my post about how they all lie. That explains the exploding budget crisis. "I'm going to be the first fiscally responsible office holder... yadda, yadda, yadda...".:beer:

PCL, I may end up voting for Obama. I won't vote for an evangelical, we've had a little too much of that of late. And I'm not sure that McCain is of sound mind. If the Hillbilleries get the nod, they definitely won't get my vote. See my assessment of McCain for the reason. Libertarian candidate any one?

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, at least I have learned from history. You mean to tell me that you're basing your vote on the ass-umption that a politician will keep his promise?

I don't know whether he'll keep his promises or not. I'm basing my vote off of his policy proposals, and his record doesn't indicate to me that he's going to go against his word.

And I'm not sure that McCain is of sound mind. If the Hillbilleries get the nod, they definitely won't get my vote. See my assessment of McCain for the reason. Libertarian candidate any one?

Agree 100% on this.

 

[GuppyWN]

PCL,

You need to do a little more homework. In addition to his other tax increases he wants to get rid of payroll social security tax which is capped for '08 at $97,200. So there's ANOTHER tax increase for anybody making over that amount.

That's AT LEAST 3 tax increases that I can think of that will apply to my family.

Gup