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Paid for a whole seat - only got half of one

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SkiFishFly

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By Christopher Elliott
Tribune Media Services

(Tribune Media Services) -- Half of Julie Liening's airline seat is missing. An extra-large passenger is sitting in it, forcing her to lean into the aisle or sit on the passenger's lap. Not a comfortable way to fly, nor, for that matter a safe way to fly. But when she asks her airline for compensation, she's turned down. What's next?
Q: I need your advice on an uncomfortable problem I had on a recent trip. I was on a Delta Air Lines flight from Philadelphia to Atlanta, and was one of the last people to board the aircraft. When I got to my seat, half of it was missing.
Sitting next to me, in the middle seat, was an extremely large woman. So large that she not only took up her own seat, but half of mine. There was no way for her to put the armrest down. She said she hoped there was room for me.
I discreetly asked one of the flight attendants if I could buy a seat in first class, and was told that first class was full. I asked if the remainder of the plane was full, and they said that there were no empty seats.
A flight attendant suggested that the only way to change my seat was to "find a cute boy or girl" and sit on their lap. Not only did I find this offensive, but also it was distressing.
One of the flight attendants came over and offered the large passenger next to me a seat belt extender. I tried to sit down, but ended up spending half of the flight on this woman's lap and the other half spilling over into the aisle.
I e-mailed Delta after the flight and asked for a refund. I bought one seat, and I didn't even have half of one. Delta thanked me for the feedback but refused to do anything. Don't you think I deserve something?
-- Julie Liening, Henderson, Nevada

A: You paid for a whole seat, but got only half of one. Do you really need me to tell you that you got ripped off?
Not really. But here it goes, anyway. You got ripped off.
Or maybe it would be more accurate to say the XL passenger next to you got a deal on her ticket -- two seats for the price of one. Either way, it's wrong -- and the attitude of Delta's flight attendants and customer service representatives didn't exactly help.
Delta, and most of the other network airlines, tends to look the other way when someone unusually tall or wide boards their aircraft. At least one carrier, Southwest Airlines, doesn't. It requires that plus-sized passengers buy an extra seat (but they get their money back if there are empty seats). I could find no policy regarding these above-average travelers on Delta's Web site, which says to me that your seatmate wasn't out of line in booking only one seat.
I think you took all the right first steps in resolving this dispute. Asking a flight attendant for another seat, and offering to buy a first-class seat, was a good start. You were also smart to brush off the crewmember's insensitive comments. Your next step would have been to appeal this to the chief purser and pilot. Obstructing the aisle of an aircraft is a safety hazard, not a punch line in a flight attendant's joke.
Similarly, your decision to e-mail Delta was correct. But you shouldn't have taken its "no" for an answer. You could have -- and should have -- appealed this to someone higher up. I list all of the customer-service contacts at Delta and other major U.S. airlines on my Web site, http://www.elliott.org, (click on "help" for the details).
I encouraged you to appeal Delta's denial. This time, the airline sent you a flight voucher for $250 and an apology.

Sometimes air travel is just such a pain. If you can't fit in one seat then you should have to buy 2 seats...
 
Same thing happened to me at SWA, I had to sit side ways with my back against the window for 3.2 hours PHX-MWD. But this guy brought a bag of McD's double grease ChessB's with two gaint fries, and proceded to stuff his face, wipe his hands on his pants, and talk to me with his mouth full with food flying out as he talked. I am now the last person to board a SWA flight so I can pick who I sit next to, and only fly SWA when I have to.
 
I sat next to a management toad once, and his suit-enhanced ethics vacuum sucked a large portion of my memories of being a working pilot right out!

Am I entitled to a refund, 'yip?
 
Here's a SWA boarding technique. Seek out the COS (customer of size) already sitting by the window. Sit on the aisle next to them. Nobody will sit between you.

Disclaimer...this does not work if the flight is completely full.

shootr
 
I sat next to a management toad once, and his suit-enhanced ethics vacuum sucked a large portion of my memories of being a working pilot[/u} right out!

Am I entitled to a refund, 'yip?
That was beautiful!
 
Bottom line folks. If the person sitting next to you can't put the armrest down they HAVE to buy two seats. It's not an option. Instead of complaining after the fact reach right about your head and ring the flight attendant. It WILL get solved.

Gup
 
Bottom line folks. If the person sitting next to you can't put the armrest down they HAVE to buy two seats. It's not an option. Instead of complaining after the fact reach right about your head and ring the flight attendant. It WILL get solved.

Gup

Come on, Gup, that's the pilot way. Too big a pus to take action on the spot, but quick to whine after the fact.
 
Same thing happened to me at SWA, I had to sit side ways with my back against the window for 3.2 hours PHX-MWD. But this guy brought a bag of McD's double grease ChessB's with two gaint fries, and proceded to stuff his face, wipe his hands on his pants, and talk to me with his mouth full with food flying out as he talked. I am now the last person to board a SWA flight so I can pick who I sit next to, and only fly SWA when I have to.

I just had my beverage coming through my nose. My only question is, were you booked USAir to PHX from ELP/LRD and then changed to SWA? lol!

I am on a 30+ layover in ELP right now and I woke up at 1 AM b/c I thought my pager went off. (even though it has been over 4 years)

Hope all is well!
 
explains it all

I sat next to a management toad once, and his suit-enhanced ethics vacuum sucked a large portion of my memories of being a working pilot right out!

Am I entitled to a refund, 'yip?
So is that why we fly airplanes now? We both had our brains sucked out?
 
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Is this really a rule?

Bottom line folks. If the person sitting next to you can't put the armrest down they HAVE to buy two seats. It's not an option. Instead of complaining after the fact reach right about your head and ring the flight attendant. It WILL get solved.

Gup
Really is that an option? Even with a full airplane, who gets booted me or the big person?
 
Really is that an option? Even with a full airplane, who gets booted me or the big person?

Yes that is an option. I would like to ask why you were the last person to board the plane? If you had boarded earlier you could have avoided this. At least on SWA you can see the seat map, unlike other carriers where everyone fits on the computer screen when you pick a seat.
 
Yip,

The COS is the one causing the inconvenience right? If there were not another seat for sale on the flight they would be sold two seats on the next available flight.

The way it's designed to work is they buy two seats. If the extra seat they paid for was in fact not needed (booked under capacity), then they write a letter to Dallas and get a credit for what they paid or money back.

It really is the best solution for all involved. The key is to catch it before you oversell the flight. Some agents don't like conflict but to be honest with you IT'S THEIR JOB. I'd rather handle it right now so that we all know what's going on. If not you get a guy like you that "won't fly WN" for a reason that should have never come up.

Gup
 
Amish RakeFight wrote: ...there are few things in life as humiliating as having to buy an "extra" seat due to your portly dimensions.

So....lose some freakin weight ya pig!!!
 

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