Pacific Jet Van Nuys In Bankruptcy
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labbats said:
Not me, buddy. Last time I said anything about this company I got banned!
Sometimes the world just works things out...
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Fella at our company came from Pacific Jet about 5 months ago. Said he left because is was only a matter of time before they either killed someone, or went bankrupt. Glad to see the latter seems to be occuring first. He had nothing good to say - and he left their for less pay and less time off, from what I understood.
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What does Pacific Jet fly? I think my sim partner for Lear 60 Training was going to go there.
"Not me, buddy. Last time I said anything about this company I got banned!
Sometimes the world just works things out..."
Not me either... but I'll speak my voice...
They are declaring bancruptcy... best time to do it anyways before the October deadline for all bancruptcies.. The stupid thing about this whole thing is.... Tim Prero started another company called JetFirst, Inc. Will he do a better job or will he run it to the ground like he did Pacific Jet? THAT is the question...
and as for the bi_tch that ran their Marketing dept... Carrie, spelled "c" like k_nt, all I can say is.. "What comes around, goes around.... "
Sometimes the world just works things out..."
Not me either... but I'll speak my voice...
They are declaring bancruptcy... best time to do it anyways before the October deadline for all bancruptcies.. The stupid thing about this whole thing is.... Tim Prero started another company called JetFirst, Inc. Will he do a better job or will he run it to the ground like he did Pacific Jet? THAT is the question...
and as for the bi_tch that ran their Marketing dept... Carrie, spelled "c" like k_nt, all I can say is.. "What comes around, goes around.... "
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$50,000 deposit will allow you to get a bid package. Then you can go for there. I know of 2 companies currently getting bid packages.
Seems to me that Pacific Jet is a touchy subject in here. Whats the deal with that are the moderators personally linked to this company ??
Seems to me that Pacific Jet is a touchy subject in here. Whats the deal with that are the moderators personally linked to this company ??
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All I know is that I ran into a PJ crew at Milan Linate. The Capt. seemed like a good guy and the FA was smokin' hot. They were on a GIII.
He was happy as a pig in slop over making captain--pay bump up to $85k
. Try living on that in VNY.
For his $85k he got the privilige of working 28 days a month...TC
He was happy as a pig in slop over making captain--pay bump up to $85k
. Try living on that in VNY.For his $85k he got the privilige of working 28 days a month...TC
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Basically the 50'000 bucks is to weed out the ones that aren't really serious. The package will include all that is avaliable (ie:aircraft.client lists,office furniture etc.) for purchase and under what conditions or stipulations.
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted and all of you put in the penalty box.
I imagine the owners will just set up shop under a new name and start all over again. I'm trying to remember... were the PJ owners the same guys who ran JetWest @ KVNY?
AA717driver- I know two of those "smokin' hot" FA's. They both quit ASAP. They've got stories that'll make your hair stand up.
I imagine the owners will just set up shop under a new name and start all over again. I'm trying to remember... were the PJ owners the same guys who ran JetWest @ KVNY?
AA717driver- I know two of those "smokin' hot" FA's. They both quit ASAP. They've got stories that'll make your hair stand up.
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Pa56pa,
Yes. It's very common in bankruptcy, liquidation proceedings.
There are two basic types of bankruptcy. First is "reorganization" which is where United Airlines is. In reorganization, the debtor presents a plan to reorganize the company's operations, assets and business plan and return to profitability. During reorganization the court appointed trustee determines how much the debtor can repay to his creditors.
Second is "Liquidation". In liquidation the court liquidates the debtor's assets and then distributes the proceeds to the creditors. Everyting, every asset the debtor holds (rules are different for personal bankruptcy vs corporate) are sold through the court. Anyone, including the debtor, can bid on and purchase the assets of the debtor. Although when the debtor purchases an asset owned by the debtor it is usually done blind through another entity.
No suprise in Pacific Jet's case, however.
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Yes. It's very common in bankruptcy, liquidation proceedings.
There are two basic types of bankruptcy. First is "reorganization" which is where United Airlines is. In reorganization, the debtor presents a plan to reorganize the company's operations, assets and business plan and return to profitability. During reorganization the court appointed trustee determines how much the debtor can repay to his creditors.
Second is "Liquidation". In liquidation the court liquidates the debtor's assets and then distributes the proceeds to the creditors. Everyting, every asset the debtor holds (rules are different for personal bankruptcy vs corporate) are sold through the court. Anyone, including the debtor, can bid on and purchase the assets of the debtor. Although when the debtor purchases an asset owned by the debtor it is usually done blind through another entity.
No suprise in Pacific Jet's case, however.
TransMach
HMR said:I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted and all of you put in the penalty box.
I imagine the owners will just set up shop under a new name and start all over again. I'm trying to remember... were the PJ owners the same guys who ran JetWest @ KVNY?
AA717driver- I know two of those "smokin' hot" FA's. They both quit ASAP. They've got stories that'll make your hair stand up.
Yes.. used to be JetWest @ VNY... then TP bought it to start Pac Jet.... now, it's a so-called new company @ VNY ran by TP called "JETFIRST"
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HMR said:I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted and all of you put in the penalty box.
I imagine the owners will just set up shop under a new name and start all over again. I'm trying to remember... were the PJ owners the same guys who ran JetWest @ KVNY?
AA717driver- I know two of those "smokin' hot" FA's. They both quit ASAP. They've got stories that'll make your hair stand up.
I agree.
I ran into a crew in LIRQ in a RAT A$$ G3. Nice folks, but that seemed like the definition of a $hit charter job.
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I'm wondering ... what are the expenses that run an aircraft mangement/charter company into bankruptcy? The mangement company doesn't own any airplanes, so there's no debt service there on secured paper. The management company can expand/contract it's staff to meet the flying demand. The management company makes a markup on outsourced maintenance, fuel, insurance and crew services it provides to it's airplane owners. It would have it's own business umbrella insurance, operating insurance, facility rent and staff employee overhead costs. I can see an aircraft management company continue to contract until it dissappears, but bankruptcy ... that means somebody's cheeting somebody by hiding behind the bankruptcy rules or they have cheeted the airplane owners by making promisses they can't keep or they have collected monies from the airplane owners and spent it without doing what they were suppose to do with it.
Just my slant on it. If you pay the airplane owners as you are suppose to, and charge them what you are suppose to, bankruptcy would seem a far fetched idea.
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Just my slant on it. If you pay the airplane owners as you are suppose to, and charge them what you are suppose to, bankruptcy would seem a far fetched idea.
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Interesting post TransMach. I'm not an expert on business (that's why I sit in the front of the jet) but your argument makes sense.
A few other things to consider:
-PJ always seemed to be one of the busiest operators @ VNY.
-Their unwillingness to spend money on proper MX is well known.
-Pilots paid for their own training.
So... what exactly were the expenses that would lead to bankruptcy?
Also, remember the guys on here a few months back who were justifying paying for their training because PJ offered them a GIII job with 500TT? I wonder what the payments are on that training debt?
A few other things to consider:
-PJ always seemed to be one of the busiest operators @ VNY.
-Their unwillingness to spend money on proper MX is well known.
-Pilots paid for their own training.
So... what exactly were the expenses that would lead to bankruptcy?
Also, remember the guys on here a few months back who were justifying paying for their training because PJ offered them a GIII job with 500TT? I wonder what the payments are on that training debt?
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